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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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MegaSteve said:
James Cleverly... What a knobhead...
Whinging about the grubby deals of others...
Completely overlooking his own teams 'grubby' deal keeping them in charge...
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It's kind of where we are with politics now. People just say stuff that is clearly hypocritcal or in some cases just plain wrong, yet they can get away with it as truth and honesty are no longer valued competencies of our leaders.
 
Hobbit said:
A non-biassed view of what Scotland thinks. I've always fo
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The same can be said of Wings over Scotland, from a non biased view of course.;)
At least their commissioned polls are sourced out to a well established pollster with a good reputation.
Some on here would swear otherwise, thereby showing their own bias.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
The same can be said of Wings over Scotland, from a non biased view of course.;)
At least their commissioned polls are sourced out to a well established pollster with a good reputation.
Some on here would swear otherwise, thereby showing their own bias.
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@DfT (and anyone else interested) - the guy (Stuart) who runs Wings (he lives in Bath :) ) has just been on LBC talking with JO'B. Discussion this hour is on Scottish independence in the context of Brexit and a BeeJay Premiership.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
@DfT (and anyone else interested) - the guy (Stuart) who runs Wings (he lives in Bath :) ) has just been on LBC talking with JO'B. Discussion this hour is on Scottish independence in the context of Brexit and a BeeJay Premiership.
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Seriously?...The guy who runs the pro independence site wingsoverscotland does not actually live in Scotland but prefers to live in England the focal point for all of Scotland’s problems?😂😂😂

My dog what a massive hypocrite! This is right up there with the Abbotpotomus sending her son to private school🤣😂🤣

What a joke the whole notion of Scottish independence is.
 
Fade and Die said:
Seriously?...The guy who runs the pro independence site wingsoverscotland does not actually live in Scotland but prefers to live in England the focal point for all of Scotland’s problems?😂😂😂

My dog what a massive hypocrite! This is right up there with the Abbotpotomus sending her son to private school🤣😂🤣

What a joke the whole notion of Scottish independence is.
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So you think that Scots living in England should have no voice in the independence debate? Really? Anyway - in respect of the 'editor' of Wings I think I'd leave that decision up to the readers of Wings...

You'll be no doubt be calling Leave supporting English living in the EU27 as hypocrites as they prefer to live in the EU the focal point of all of England's problems - and that they should have no voice in the Brexit debate? But that would be absurd.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
So you think that Scots living in England should have no voice in the independence debate? Really? Anyway - in respect of the 'editor' of Wings I think I'd leave that decision up to the readers of Wings...

You'll be no doubt be calling Leave supporting English living in the EU27 as hypocrites as they prefer to live in the EU the focal point of all of England's problems - and that they should have no voice in the Brexit debate? But that would be absurd.
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Hmmm... For me, Scotland are no longer seeking independence... They, if Doon is correct, are now wishing to take their rear end from one 'invader' and offer it up to another...

Independence is about self determination not dancing to anothers tune..
 
MegaSteve said:
Hmmm... For me, Scotland are no longer seeking independence... They, if Doon is correct, are now wishing to take their rear end from one 'invader' and offer it up to another...

Independence is about self determination not dancing to anothers tune..
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Well in that case the UK best not try and do it's trade deals under the auspices of the completely undemocratic WTO
 
Love the way his new Gov have tried to pass off money 20,000 new Police officers, when in fact it won't even keep pace with exosting wastage and now extra Money for the NHS, money they had already been given an not allowed to spend... Found out very quickly.... he's not a liar at all:LOL::LOL:
 
Hacker Khan said:
It's kind of where we are with politics now. People just say stuff that is clearly hypocritcal or in some cases just plain wrong, yet they can get away with it as truth and honesty are no longer valued competencies of our leaders.
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For me a quite stunning example of this, and for sheer brass neck, was yesterday when a certain Mr Gove laid the blame for where we in negotiations with the EU (deadlocked in the middle of nowhere) 100% at the door of the EU. Despite the UK being desperate to reopen negotiations the EU was now, sadly and wrongly, being unacceptably intransigent (implying the EU has changed it's position since BJ was elected PM).
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
For me a quite stunning example of this, and for sheer brass neck, was yesterday when a certain Mr Gove laid the blame for where we in negotiations with the EU (deadlocked in the middle of nowhere) 100% at the door of the EU. Despite the UK being desperate to reopen negotiations the EU was now, sadly and wrongly, being unacceptably intransigent (implying the EU has changed it's position since BJ was elected PM).
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Where on earth do you get that leap to the implication? The EU hasn't changed anything. It told May it wouldn't reopen the WA, and it said it again during the Tory leader election and its said it since.

They say they want a deal and they know that the deal has failed in Westminster 3 times. The UK, quite rightly, have said no. I'd argue that although it takes 2 to make a deal, the deal on offer just won't fly.

Think about it; both sides want a deal. One side says the deal has been tested 3 times in Parliament, and proven to be unacceptable. The EU won't change it but they want a deal. Just who is being deliberately obtuse and stupid? I get that they have the right to say this is the only deal on offer but so to the UK has the right to say no to the deal.

I see it that both sides are equally right in their respective stance but to say we won't change the deal you've rejected 3 times but we want a deal... doh! Just plain daft.
 
patricks148 said:
Love the way his new Gov have tried to pass off money 20,000 new Police officers, when in fact it won't even keep pace with exosting wastage and now extra Money for the NHS, money they had already been given an not allowed to spend... Found out very quickly.... he's not a liar at all:LOL::LOL:
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Really?? i thought the extra money was new money... where is the source of saying otherwise..
 
Hobbit said:
Where on earth do you get that leap to the implication? The EU hasn't changed anything. It told May it wouldn't reopen the WA, and it said it again during the Tory leader election and its said it since.

They say they want a deal and they know that the deal has failed in Westminster 3 times. The UK, quite rightly, have said no. I'd argue that although it takes 2 to make a deal, the deal on offer just won't fly.

Think about it; both sides want a deal. One side says the deal has been tested 3 times in Parliament, and proven to be unacceptable. The EU won't change it but they want a deal. Just who is being deliberately obtuse and stupid? I get that they have the right to say this is the only deal on offer but so to the UK has the right to say no to the deal.

I see it that both sides are equally right in their respective stance but to say we won't change the deal you've rejected 3 times but we want a deal... doh! Just plain daft.
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From the mouth of members of the government and of Gove - weirdly implying that the stance that the EU is taking now, is a harder stance than it was taking BBE (Before Boris Era) - as if something has changed that has meant that Johnson has only now had to take the approach he is taking - and they are disappointed and saddened that it has. I know that the EU hasn't changed their position on the WA - or indeed on their 4Fs - they haven't changed things on them since the referendum and they stated their position before it.

But we will never get a deal if we simply refuse to engage in negotiations. Even if you suspect 99% that you won't get anywhere - if you are really wanting a deal then you surely look to explore that 1%. And the fact is that telling the EU to remove any and every backstop before we talk seems counter-productive when there seem to be possibilities around time-limiting the backstop or in giving the UK some form of unilateralism over leaving it - these are surely are worth exploring - even if they are only in the 1% possibility.
 
Mudball said:
Really?? i thought the extra money was new money... where is the source of saying otherwise..
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Is it new like the new money just announced for the NHS. That'll be the money that has been held by NHS Trusts as savings they were not allowed to spend - so not new money at all I heard the Minister of State for Health (Chris Skidmore) say a couple of evenings back when interrogated by KG-M on Ch4 News. So kind of new money...but not really...

 
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