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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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Doon frae Troon said:
Most on hear are aware that the second world war ended in 1945, that is 74 years ago.
You should let it go.
Do you still bear a grudge against the USA for what happened in 1775.
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Have I missed something in this thread because what has the 2nd world war got do with it.. Unless you're saying his issue is because the Germans were the main protagonist and that's his issue 🤔

If that is the case perhaps would answer why he didn't respond to my question 🤔
 
SocketRocket said:
Having no plan was a Remainer strategy. They believed it impossible to lose the vote.
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...and the logic behind not having a Plan B for 31/10?

Because the 31/10 No Plan B strategy seems to be based upon exactly the same deluded and mistaken logic as you have identified for Remain, and look at the mess that has resulted in.
 
lobthewedge said:
Maybe you could remind some of your SNP pals the importance of not bearing historical grudges!
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Bit unfair and a lazy argument, support for independence has been a relatively recent phenomenon, Unionist parties have had the bulk of the support in Scotland for several generations. That doesn't tie in with your theory that seeking independence is all about historical grudges, if so it would have been more popular a goal a long time ago.
England wants out of the EU Union, some Scots want out of the UK Union. Doesn't mean either are bearing historical grudges, they just want to run their own affairs if they are not compatible with other member(s) of that Union.
 
Wolf said:
We already have to under the guidance of NATO. A lot of people don't realise how so much of our operational tours are already governed by other forces, a lot of Operations in theatre are not because what we decide to carry out, but are for other nations or at least in accordance with them. I've done many Ops with French, Belgian, Dutch, Slovak and German Forces. Trust me they're all a lot better to work alongside than the Yanks.

I'm not saying a united EU force is a good or bad idea, it's has as many merits and as it does issues. The cut backs our forces have faced over the last 30 years shows we have a severe depletion in defence
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I dont underestimate how effective these countries military forces are, I was refering to their political commitment, I think it would be unreliable. However the USA is critised they are a better partner and without them I would feel less secure. Rather than throwing our money into an EU force I would rather we invest in our own defences.
 
SocketRocket said:
I dont underestimate how effective these countries military forces are, I was refering to their political commitment, I think it would be unreliable. However the USA is critised they are a better partner and without them I would feel less secure. Rather than throwing our money into an EU force I would rather we invest in our own defences.
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but what are your views on shorts and black socks? Thats the real issue of the day
 
maxfli65 said:
Bit unfair and a lazy argument, support for independence has been a relatively recent phenomenon, Unionist parties have had the bulk of the support in Scotland for several generations. That doesn't tie in with your theory that seeking independence is all about historical grudges, if so it would have been more popular a goal a long time ago.
England wants out of the EU Union, some Scots want out of the UK Union. Doesn't mean either are bearing historical grudges, they just want to run their own affairs if they are not compatible with other member(s) of that Union.
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Have they considered the border issue and if border controlls are acceptable, what about tariffs into your largest market, free movement, falling off a cliff edge. Wait a minute!
 
maxfli65 said:
Bit unfair and a lazy argument, support for independence has been a relatively recent phenomenon, Unionist parties have had the bulk of the support in Scotland for several generations. That doesn't tie in with your theory that seeking independence is all about historical grudges, if so it would have been more popular a goal a long time ago.
England wants out of the EU Union, some Scots want out of the UK Union. Doesn't mean either are bearing historical grudges, they just want to run their own affairs if they are not compatible with other member(s) of that Union.
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I just find it amusing that Doon is very quick to slap down another poster, deriding him for allegedly holding historic grudges, when many of his fellow SNP supporters are more than happy to stir up anti English sentiment with references to Culloden and the Clearances etc while harping back to the days of Wallace, Bruce and Bannockburn.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
...and the logic behind not having a Plan B for 31/10?

Because the 31/10 No Plan B strategy seems to be based upon exactly the same deluded and mistaken logic as you have identified for Remain, and look at the mess that has resulted in.
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A remain government was in office, it was up to them (Cameron) to have a plab B, not the General Public who voted leave. Think about it.
 
SocketRocket said:
I dont underestimate how effective these countries military forces are, I was refering to their political commitment, I think it would be unreliable. However the USA is critised they are a better partner and without them I would feel less secure. Rather than throwing our money into an EU force I would rather we invest in our own defences.
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That is where the crux of the matter would lie and where the failings would occur. As coalition forces fighting together under our own or NATO flags it works well together and each force can make its own plans for success. Problem is if they all come together you effectively have a mini NATO with a committee deciding how forces from other countries train, carry out ops etc which wouldn't work as its such a diverse force.

As I say I'm neither for or against it but its an interesting option however can't see it coming to fruition unless they form a seperate unit for EU use made up of squadrons and battalions from each nations services that do a 2 year attachment to the EU force before returning to normal ops on a rotation
 
lobthewedge said:
I just find it amusing that Doon is very quick to slap down another poster, deriding him for allegedly holding historic grudges, when many of his fellow SNP supporters are more than happy to stir up anti English sentiment with references to Culloden and the Clearances etc while harping back to the days of Wallace, Bruce and Bannockburn.
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Have they actually said that or have Ruthie and Co said they've said that? You just don't know in the cesspit of Scottish politics these days. All parties have a few numpties in their ranks.
 
maxfli65 said:
Have they actually said that or have Ruthie and Co said they've said that? You just don't know in the cesspit of Scottish politics these days. All parties have a few numpties in their ranks.
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Are you actually asking if the SNP or any of their supporters have ever used historical events or figures to promote their cause? :unsure:
 
SocketRocket said:
...However the USA is critised they are a better partner and without them I would feel less secure.
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Perhaps the following might temper your feelings of security!

My Dad, a Vet (indeed as a Signaller, in the vanguard) of the battle for Monte Cassino. A regular comment about that battle, normally during news of screw-ups in Vietnam, was 'When the Germans flew over, the Allies ducked; wen the Brits flew over, the Germans ducked; when the Yanks flew over, everybody ducked!'.

They also have a history of using some pretty obscene weapons too - Agent Orange is still having serious effects in SE Asia and the effects of DU shells have made much of Iraq uninhabitable.

That said, I'd sooner they were with than against!

Oh. And I don't believe there's a need for an 'EU Army'!
 
lobthewedge said:
Are you actually asking if the SNP or any of their supporters have ever used historical events or figures to promote their cause? :unsure:
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Thought you were referring to one of their leading politicians saying something of late along those lines, not the rank and file who I would agree quite a few of will use that kind of historic grievance rhetoric. However that doesn't explain away the relatively recent swelling of support, if not for the SNP themselves who are just a political vehicle, then for independence.
When I started voting the SNP were seen as a little protest party that got 3 or 4 seats in 'bandit country' around Moray/North Aberrdeenshire!
 
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