Bob&Co. Question

[TonyN]

Refering back to Stevens post about having a strong grip and suffering hooks, I do the same every now and then, not too often but I think I know why.

A) I have a very strong grip (3 knuckles)
B) I am an in to out, Draw shaper
C) I play with a draw Bias club.(Tour head)

Do you know anyone who plays with a weaker grip for driver and stronger one for irons?

I dont want to weaken my grip for Irons because they dont trouble me, but it may help the driver when I cant be left.

Maybe just weaken it when I have OOB down the left hand side?

 

[bobmac]

Have you got a video of your swing please?

 

[TonyN]

Erm, not of my current one, but the one I posted in here (few pages back i think) is not too different, Only difference being I now stand up more and lean more from the hips rather than squat like I need a poo! Stance is a little narrower too.

Link to 3 wood down line

Driver down the line.

 

[mono217]

I like your swing but cant see nothing wrong.

so il wait for bob to tell you.

*puts on the kettle and waits for bob*

 

[bobmac]

Tony. Let me start by saying what a good swing
But one observation if I may?
I take it the red circle is your target?

Just be aware of where your shoulders are pointing at address and experiment when you have lots of room right
Good luck and have fun.

 

[mono217]

seems fair what you have said bob.

 

[TonyN]

Little confused now, that shot was the best I hit all day Vig will remember it, it split fairway with a hint of draw.

Also, I was having a problem with my shoulders being closed too much which I am now rectifying.

I appreciate what your saying ( i really do) but confused non the less.

 

[bobmac]

If your shoulders were closed, I think you've just over-corrected it.
Of course, you can hit it straight with open shoulders, but you have to compensate for it during the swing.
With the shoulders square to the target, there is no need to compensate and you can just give it a bash.
I believe the left shot comes from the swing sometimes follows the shoulder line with a touch of draw which you see as a hook.

Give it a try down the range but if it doesn't feel good, go back to your normal set-up and weaken your left hand on those OOB left holes.

HTH
If you're still confused, pm me

 

[JustOne]

Hi Tony.

I put some arrows pointing to where the club heads are
(you have a tee marker 1 foot behind your back..ignore that it's not your clubhead!)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5777/image2l.gif

You have come right round past the 9 o'clock position and haven't yet got the club above your knees. If you're going to do that then you should expect to hook it

Your hands are leading your body. Your shoulders haven't even started to turn - they should be more connected through the lower part of your swing.

If you try to think about swinging on plane as per the red line (might need to adjust your posture with your shoulders more forward and more knee flex) then you're going to hit it way more solidly.

If you get a good posture then simply think about getting your club up to hip-height on the takeaway, turn and rip it As a consequence of better posture you might think about weakening your grip a little (left thumb at the 1 or 2 o'clock position) as you simply won't need it round the back of the club.

hope this helps...

note: Your 'extra low to the inside backswing' is also apparent on the other vid with your 3-wood. You almost end up casting over the top to compensate for it.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I agree entirely with justoneuk especially as I've suffered from a very narrow and inside the line swing and have suffered hooks and huge fades accordingly. The hook comes from getting trapped too far behind the body and having to compensate with hand action to get back to the ball. The fade comes from the opposite and casting OTT and coming across. Strangely I can never seem to hit an out and out slice that starts right and goes right with some right hand spin and a touch of right.

I'm working very much on wide until knee height and then a solid coil and turn and not rushing (well my whole swing is quick but not rushing to me anyway) into the transition and resisting the urge to chase at the ball to launch it.

 

[TonyN]

O dear, can, open, worms...everywhere!

I only wanted to know if anyone used a weak grip for driver and strong for irons, and if I would likely find it difficult to do?

JustOneUk, Like Bob, I appreciate you taking the time to assess the swing but I am actually quite happy with it as it is. Its not how it is in the video now, I actually stand more upright, knee's less bent, stance is narrower. The comment about being through at 9 oclock, my arm is no more past half 6 if 6 is the bottom as I see it. If I were to have my arms in that position now the club would still be inches from the ground.

I actually did some work with my pro on the take away where I would not load the wrists until I had moved the club away parallell to my feet atleast a good 18 inches behind the ball, then I would cock the wrists. From there I have a very unorthadox action where I keep my right elbow well tucked in (like Hogan and Jiminez) and everything then just falls into place as I unwind.

My take away swing thought is to keep a perfect triangle between writs and shoulders till halfway back through the swing. Just like R.Strongert teaches on VideoJug.

The alternative for me would be to buy a new 909 that has a neutral face!

 

[JustOne]

Strangely I can never seem to hit an out and out slice that starts right and goes right with some right hand spin and a touch of right.

Heh, Lucky you! I can pretty much hit that shape off every tee, any second shot and out of most bunkers!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I'd love to be able to move it lft to right but unless I really come OTT I struggle. I can hit a big push/block with ease (not intentionally) but not the true slice.

Actualy thats a lie. I can get the ball going right. I think its called a shank and I'm getting to olympic standard

 

[JustOne]

JustOneUk, Like Bob, I appreciate you taking the time to assess the swing but I am actually quite happy with it as it is. Its not how it is in the video now, I actually stand more upright, knee's less bent, stance is narrower. The comment about being through at 9 oclock, my arm is no more past half 6 if 6 is the bottom as I see it. If I were to have my arms in that position now the club would still be inches from the ground.

Yup.. my fault, I should have read the question. </worms everywhere>

NO is the answer

Same grip for everything unless you're shaping shots round trees heh

I refer to that position as 9'oclock as that's where it is when looking from the front. Which makes me wonder if there's a 'standard' for referring to that position? Half way back perhaps? one third back?

 

[RGDave]

I still reckon (having seen the swing for real) that you could pull your left foot back a tad on "must-count" drives.

You know that I think it'll be a really good swing as it beds in. Maybe too much 3-ball has lead to the hooks.

It's not a swing I understand, but I do admire it when it comes together.....that's not to say I wouldn't like your fabulous 240-250 yd draw 3 woods!!!

 

[JustOne]

I'd love to be able to move it lft to right but unless I really come OTT I struggle. I can hit a big push/block with ease (not intentionally) but not the true slice.

Actualy thats a lie. I can get the ball going right. I think its called a shank and I'm getting to olympic standard

A true slice starts left of the target line...and disappears somewhere over the fence on the right hand side... um, apparently

Homer, where's the vid of your swing?

 

[TonyN]

I still reckon (having seen the swing for real) that you could pull your left foot back a tad on "must-count" drives.

You know that I think it'll be a really good swing as it beds in. Maybe too much 3-ball has lead to the hooks.

It's not a swing I understand, but I do admire it when it comes together.....that's not to say I wouldn't like your fabulous 240-250 yd draw 3 woods!!!

Dave when I remember, I try keep the left foot open a little, would this have the same affect maybe?

O BTW, you should of seen the 3 wood I hit at Hoylake (dont tell anyone, but it flew Mikes Driver)

 

[JustOne]

My take away swing thought is to keep a perfect triangle between writs and shoulders till halfway back through the swing. Just like R.Strongert teaches on VideoJug.

I posted in my reply

"Your hands are leading your body. Your shoulders haven't even started to turn - they should be more connected through the lower part of your swing."

meaning that you should be doing exactly what you said above... but I don't see that 'triangle' in your swing.... Out of interest d'ya have a link to the videojug page?

 

[TonyN]

Like I said, that is an old swing.

this is the Video

Great site, I have learnt alot from these videos.

 

[JustOne]

Old swing new swing - it matters not. If you want it reviewed you'd have asked.

Thanks for the link.