Blatant banditry

[Jaymosafehands]

What a pair of tossers. I'd have took his top set out with a little uppercut if it was me!!

Would love to know the guys name please (pm me?) as I'm caddying for my pal in the Trilby at Sprowston, and I could always bump into him!!!

Thats just not golf, and I'm mad now!!!

 

[RichardC]

This was one of many reasons that caused me to leave my last club.

I was playing with a guy who played of 8 (he is renowned for always coming in right in the buffer zone when there was no chance of winning).
In the comp we were playing in, he was +2 after the front 9 and had herd that someone of 18 was playing really well and was bettering his score.
We came to the par 3 11th and he hit a fantastic shot to 2 feet, and I was already marking him down for a 2 when he missed the putt. Then came the sentence that shocked me, he said "Im not making birdies and getting cut when I have no chance of winning!!!!"
When we were in the bar he was spouting crap that the guy that won was a bandit, and my reply was that he was a cheat.

I never played another round of golf there again after that.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I go out and try to break my handicap every time. Even when the buffer zone is disappering in the rear view mirror I'm still trying to shoot as low as I can. I think some of that is borne for stubborness and some from the fact if I don't concentrate it gets even worse.

We played a guy off 7 yesterday in the Volvo. He lost a ball on the 5th hole and one on the 10th with two bad drives. For the 17 holes he played he was level par and -2 gross for the last 5. Would I say he was a bandit? No. There were enough bad shots in there to see that he could shoot over his number as easily as below it. On the day he played very steady and holed two or three outrageous putts at the right time. The OP though is a different story. It isn't just handicap protection it is plain cheating. He's cheating everyone in the event and it needs reporting. You've heard admissions first hand and I'm sure some within the club are actually aware of it if you ask (stewards often know who the real bandits are!). To say nothing just condones their actions. Even if nothing is done it makes the club nervous that they will get a reputation for dodgy handicaps and word does get around

 

[RGDave]

Afterwards in the bar this guy admitted that he hasnt played in any comps for ages because he was keeping his h/c high so that he could try and win the Trilby Tour event

There you have it. Cheating, plain and simple.

Even if you hadn't heard that bit, the "+2 gross" was a give away and since when does an 8 play to -3?

Grim. Losing we can deal with, cheating is harder to swallow.

 

[jammydodger]

I can see this has raised a few issues with a lot of people and I thank you all for your input.

I have read what you've all said and I will seek out our club pro who is also the course manager. He's a very sensible Scotsman and when I present the facts to him i'm sure he'll have a plan of action.

Like I said before we can all play well under h/c if it all comes together and I would have just accepted this as one of those days. When he said his stuff I nearly choked and my mate could tell I was angry as I didnt speak for about 10 mins. i started to go off on one but bit my tongue in fairness to everyone else and didnt want to create a scene in what was a friendly match.

Yes , in the past I would have confronted him more 'forcefully' but I have learnt restraint and feel I am a better person for it. I will take the matter to the club and see how they want to deal with it.

 

[bluewolf]

its a tough position to be in mate and I dont envy you at all. Just make sure that whatever you do, you are happy with the decision and can move on from it. Good luck...

 

[Whereditgo]

The most disheartening post I think I have evr read on here

The actions of the guys you played against go against the whole ethos of this game we all love! And for them to effectively boast about their actions afterwards compounds their actions.

I am perfectly capable of going 8 or 10 strokes below my current handicap on a day when I get hot, more to do with only having played a couple of years and my handicap not having yet reached its natural level (which, incidentally puts into context the hopes and expectations of others to achieve scratch in a year! But that's another debate). The point is that when I do go low it a cause of embarrassment not pleasure I feel and I am doing everything I can to get my handicap as low as possible as quickly as possible.

I rather fear I may have seen the red mist in your position mate, well done for your restraint and self control.

I think the very least you should do is discuss with you match secretary, as even though it was a friendly no doubt they play in League matches too!

I may be wrong here and please correct me if i am wrong.
You say you are well capable of beating your current handicap by 8-10 shots because you have only been playing 2 years,and you are trying to get down as quick as possible.
I myself have only been playing 2 years and i have managed to get my handicap down quick enough,i have done this by entering qualifiers and putting all my cards in,thats how you get a proper handicap.
So what your saying is you are not entering enough comps to get yours down .
Surely that makes you no different to the bandit,unless of course i am wrong,but that is how i read your post.
Also it will only be a cause of embarrasment if you feel you are guilty of something.

Your comments may not have been intended to offend, but unfortunately they have! Anyone who knows me (and that includes many on this forum) knows that I have very little interest in winning comps or even the Sunday roll-up. My prime motivator is try to drive my handicap down as low as possible, that to me is the true recognition of how well (or not) you can play this game!

For the record; I enter every qualifying comp I can, which is most if not quite all, I have even requested that I be allowed to submit supplementary cards to expedite the issue, this request has been declined!

Maybe you have more natural talent, maybe you play a pitch and putt for all I know, maybe just have a knack of shooting a good score with card in your hand.

Hopefully you will consider yourself corrected!

 

[pokerjoke]

The most disheartening post I think I have evr read on here

The actions of the guys you played against go against the whole ethos of this game we all love! And for them to effectively boast about their actions afterwards compounds their actions.

I am perfectly capable of going 8 or 10 strokes below my current handicap on a day when I get hot, more to do with only having played a couple of years and my handicap not having yet reached its natural level (which, incidentally puts into context the hopes and expectations of others to achieve scratch in a year! But that's another debate). The point is that when I do go low it a cause of embarrassment not pleasure I feel and I am doing everything I can to get my handicap as low as possible as quickly as possible.

I rather fear I may have seen the red mist in your position mate, well done for your restraint and self control.

I think the very least you should do is discuss with you match secretary, as even though it was a friendly no doubt they play in League matches too!

I may be wrong here and please correct me if i am wrong.
You say you are well capable of beating your current handicap by 8-10 shots because you have only been playing 2 years,and you are trying to get down as quick as possible.
I myself have only been playing 2 years and i have managed to get my handicap down quick enough,i have done this by entering qualifiers and putting all my cards in,thats how you get a proper handicap.
So what your saying is you are not entering enough comps to get yours down .
Surely that makes you no different to the bandit,unless of course i am wrong,but that is how i read your post.
Also it will only be a cause of embarrasment if you feel you are guilty of something.

Your comments may not have been intended to offend, but unfortunately they have! Anyone who knows me (and that includes many on this forum) knows that I have very little interest in winning comps or even the Sunday roll-up. My prime motivator is try to drive my handicap down as low as possible, that to me is the true recognition of how well (or not) you can play this game!

For the record; I enter every qualifying comp I can, which is most if not quite all, I have even requested that I be allowed to submit supplementary cards to expedite the issue, this request has been declined!

Maybe you have more natural talent, maybe you play a pitch and putt for all I know, maybe just have a knack of shooting a good score with card in your hand.

Hopefully you will consider yourself corrected!

No problem i stand corrected,as i said if i was wrong tell me,it was only how i read it,no offence meant.

 

[rickg]

JD,
I'm playing in the Trilby again this year at Goodwood.

If you want to PM me this guys name, I'd have no problem bringing it to the attention of the Trilby Tour organisers.

 

[0]

I've come across guys like this all through my golf life, it disgusted me but rather than play at this level I worked hard to elevate myself out of their handicap league and now only play in open comps with max 8 h/caps.
Still doesnt help in the club comps and recently was giving 19 shots to a guy to did the last 6 holes in minus 1 gross on one of the hardest courses around-
as Mr Soprano says "What ya gonna do?"

They'll always be around this type of golfer and if they are proud of winning this way then it will be a lonely and hollow golf life as their reputation proceeds them

 

[LanDog]

Surely the idea of golf is to play to the best of your ability, and having a low handicap is something that should commended and something that you should be proud of. When it comes to these cheats it makes me feel sick as we are all trying to improve our game as much as we can by shootig low scores and winning a measily club saturday tournament is something to really be proud of, for people that don't play or deliberately throw holes away it really angers me. It's despicable

 

[stevek1969]

Banditary is all over ,got back last week from ireland having played in the Causeway Coast Comp it was won with 165 points over 4 rounds average 41.25 per round,the guy who won it played of 13 his mate played of 14 was 3rd not bad from 850 competitors.

They worst score he had was on the easiest of courses with 38 pts they checked his scores and spoke to guys he played with and they said they hit the ball like pros. Basically just pot hunters they didn't even go to the presentation at the end ,they would have if the tournament organiser got them a round at Royal Portrush,cheeky bar stewards,for me it takes the shine of a good week.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If you want to PM me this guys name, I'd have no problem bringing it to the attention of the Trilby Tour organisers.

Would be interesting to see what they say but my guess is that if he holds a valid handicap certifcate off the higher number there isn't much they can do

 

[jammydodger]

Banditary is all over ,got back last week from ireland having played in the Causeway Coast Comp it was won with 165 points over 4 rounds average 41.25 per round,the guy who won it played of 13 his mate played of 14 was 3rd not bad from 850 competitors.

Crikey Steve 165 pts from 4 rounds is taking the proverbial. Do the cards get sent in to their home clubs ?

 

[rosecott]

The most disheartening post I think I have evr read on here

The actions of the guys you played against go against the whole ethos of this game we all love! And for them to effectively boast about their actions afterwards compounds their actions.

I am perfectly capable of going 8 or 10 strokes below my current handicap on a day when I get hot, more to do with only having played a couple of years and my handicap not having yet reached its natural level (which, incidentally puts into context the hopes and expectations of others to achieve scratch in a year! But that's another debate). The point is that when I do go low it a cause of embarrassment not pleasure I feel and I am doing everything I can to get my handicap as low as possible as quickly as possible.

I rather fear I may have seen the red mist in your position mate, well done for your restraint and self control.

I think the very least you should do is discuss with you match secretary, as even though it was a friendly no doubt they play in League matches too!

I may be wrong here and please correct me if i am wrong.
You say you are well capable of beating your current handicap by 8-10 shots because you have only been playing 2 years,and you are trying to get down as quick as possible.
I myself have only been playing 2 years and i have managed to get my handicap down quick enough,i have done this by entering qualifiers and putting all my cards in,thats how you get a proper handicap.
So what your saying is you are not entering enough comps to get yours down .
Surely that makes you no different to the bandit,unless of course i am wrong,but that is how i read your post.
Also it will only be a cause of embarrasment if you feel you are guilty of something.

Your comments may not have been intended to offend, but unfortunately they have! Anyone who knows me (and that includes many on this forum) knows that I have very little interest in winning comps or even the Sunday roll-up. My prime motivator is try to drive my handicap down as low as possible, that to me is the true recognition of how well (or not) you can play this game!

For the record; I enter every qualifying comp I can, which is most if not quite all, I have even requested that I be allowed to submit supplementary cards to expedite the issue, this request has been declined!

Maybe you have more natural talent, maybe you play a pitch and putt for all I know, maybe just have a knack of shooting a good score with card in your hand.

Hopefully you will consider yourself corrected!

Your club cannot decline to accept Supplementary Scores. Players of all categories may submit Supplementary Scores irrespective of how many qualifiers they played in the previous year.