BBC News.

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In my opinion:

The News is just a dry repetition of facts. It isn't an entertainment show.

Magazine programmes, interviews, debates and Editorials are where opinion should be stated (and viewers should be informed that opinion and not necessarily facts are what is being discussed).

The BBC should be impartial as it is not privately owned. Any privately owned show can say pretty much whatever they want, but not a publicly funded "news" programme.

The BBC mandate is to Inform, Educate and Entertain

How does the BBC educate without that being from the BBC perspective?

I tell you the world's going mad when some folks choose to believe Putin's propaganda outlet Russia Today over the BBC - mad - just mad.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The BBC mandate is to Inform, Educate and Entertain
.

It can inform by telling us the news (ie, reading us the facts)
It can educate by showing us Blue Planet, Horizon etc
It can entertain by showing us comedy, drama, films etc

 

[Deleted member 1147]

How does the BBC educate without that being from the BBC perspective?

The News = facts, there should be no perspective to facts

They can debate the facts on other shows - question time, newsnight etc

 

[SocketRocket]

The BBC mandate is to Inform, Educate and Entertain

How does the BBC educate without that being from the BBC perspective?

I tell you the world's going mad when some folks choose to believe Putin's propaganda outlet Russia Today over the BBC - mad - just mad.

You educate people by informing them of the facts. You Educate people by teaching them to study the facts and consider the causes and effects of them. You do not educate people by manipulating the facts to support your own thinking.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

You educate people by informing them of the facts. You Educate people by teaching them to study the facts and consider the causes and effects of them. You do not educate people by manipulating the facts to support your own thinking.

It doesn't even have to be a malicious attempt to affect people's thoughts. Whenever someone discusses a subject they will put their own slant on it, whether intended or not.

 

[Old Skier]

The BBC mandate is to Inform, Educate and Entertain

How does the BBC educate without that being from the BBC perspective?

I tell you the world's going mad when some folks choose to believe Putin's propaganda outlet Russia Today over the BBC - mad - just mad.

And the Mail and the Sun

 

[jim8flog]

One of my main criticism of the BBC News in recent years is that they have become very 'good' at making a drama out of crisis.

 

[Robster59]

You educate people by informing them of the facts. You Educate people by teaching them to study the facts and consider the causes and effects of them. You do not educate people by manipulating the facts to support your own thinking.

Do they manipulate the facts or just not report it with the kind of slant you would like to have on it? Perhaps you'd like the kind of 'impartial' reporting Fox News puts on its reporting?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do they manipulate the facts or just not report it with the kind of slant you would like to have on it? Perhaps you'd like the kind of 'impartial' reporting Fox News puts on its reporting?

Correct sir - some should just have a go watching Fox News to see what manipulation of the facts actually looks and sounds like. It ain't pretty. See reporting on the race for Alabama Senator and Roy Brown.

 

[drdel]

Correct sir - some should just have a go watching Fox News to see what manipulation of the facts actually looks and sounds like. It ain't pretty. See reporting on the race for Alabama Senator and Roy Brown.

If you want to contribute a valid point of debate please compare apples with apples. People should glean their knowledge from a variety of sources while being aware of potential conflict of interests. I'm sure no-one would hold Fox out to be a paragon of virtue!

But the real point is that "Fox" and others are commercial broadcasters / newspapers who need to attract cash via ratings related advertiser revenue - the BBC is unique being funded by UK residents via a 'licence' and we should rightly expect it to operate against much higher standards of objectivity.

 

[Sweep]

In my opinion:

The News is just a dry repetition of facts. It isn't an entertainment show.

Magazine programmes, interviews, debates and Editorials are where opinion should be stated (and viewers should be informed that opinion and not necessarily facts are what is being discussed).

The BBC should be impartial as it is not privately owned. Any privately owned show can say pretty much whatever they want, but not a publicly funded "news" programme.

^^^^^^ This 👍

 

[Sweep]

It seems to me SR simply expressed an opinion and raised an issue about the BBC's style of reporting.

However the school playground quickly and unjustifably jumped into attack SR mode playing the person not the ball: racing off down the tracks of a Brexit, Tory v Labour, the old nut of Scotland v RoUK. Its a bit rich he then gets chastised for defending himself.

Not everything is about the PM. JC Brexit etc

In my view the BBC should expect to be held to different standards than other purveyors/media because it is tax funded precisely to protect it from the influence of political parties, commercial organisation and other pressure groups.

Unfortunately in their financially protected ivory tower they have chosen to let celebritisation (hence £££s) become the norm. Consequently the prime objective of LK is the promotion of LK. Hence we hear more of her telling us what was (she thinks) said instead of us being allowed to hear the actual speaker's words.

Ironically (IMO) Al Jeezera broadcasts are often better!!!

^^^^^^ and this 👍

 

[SocketRocket]

Correct sir - some should just have a go watching Fox News to see what manipulation of the facts actually looks and sounds like. It ain't pretty. See reporting on the race for Alabama Senator and Roy Brown.

Who suggested Fox news is any better. I don't have Fox News on my TV but I do have the BBC and since the public fund it I expect it to act in a more responsible manner. There are many news programs around the world that are probably as bad or worse than the BBC but two wrongs dont make a right. That's like saying Mugabe was not that bad because Kim Jong Un is worse.

 

[User62651]

Caught some of Michael Gove on BBC R4 earlier, complimentary about BBC in that he went as far as to say people should believe what they hear/read on BBC as opposed to what they read on social media. Don't necessarily agree with that but it was a tick for BBC impartiality I believe from a pro-Brexit cabinet minister.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Caught some of Michael Gove on BBC R4 earlier, complimentary about BBC in that he went as far as to say people should believe what they hear/read on BBC as opposed to what they read on social media. Don't necessarily agree with that but it was a tick for BBC impartiality I believe from a pro-Brexit cabinet minister.

BBC getting plaudits for persistent questioning of John McDonnell on cost of borrowing and exposing him badly - oh that was Andrew Neil - maybe he doesn't count as the BBC

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

I'd be happy if they got rid of most of the rubbish bells & whistles and stuck to one person sitting behind a desk telling me what has happened.
I don't want standing news, or roving reporters standing outside a building, struggling with the elements, telling me the same as what the studio newsreader could tell me.
I don;t want it to be all editorials.
Just give me the the facts of what has happened and I'll infer what that means and decide what to do based on my own analysis.

I agree 100%

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I agree 100%

And if you haven't a clue what it means for you, your family, your country or international affairs you'd still be 100% happy...

Doing your own analysis of the facts is nice idea - but really?

 

[IanM]

And if you haven't a clue what it means for you, your family, your country or international affairs you'd still be 100% happy...

Doing your own analysis of the facts is nice idea - but really?

Thinking for yourself not encouraged eh?

 

[Hobbit]

BBC getting plaudits for persistent questioning of John McDonnell on cost of borrowing and exposing him badly - oh that was Andrew Neil - maybe he doesn't count as the BBC

Seriously?

Do you honestly think an interviewer shouldn't push the potential next Chancellor on his borrowing and spending plans? And when the next Chancellor gets evasive and doesn't answer questions you think that's acceptable?

How many times have you said the lack of transparency and honesty in the Brexiteers is unacceptable? How many times have you asked for detailed plans for Brexit, and then decried the govt for not providing them?

I listened to McDonnell in the run up to the election, and since. Of the plans for renationalisation, fully costed with the issuing of govt bonds. And on each occasions he's been asked for details he's dodged the issue. Why? At best its a perverted version of PFI with govt/country paying out to the ex-owners for donkeys years via the Bonds. Marxism has been proven around the world, time and again, in countries like Zimbabwe and Venezuela to be an unmitigated disaster.

And you think the BBC is at fault for trying to get the truth out of the main architect of the next financial disaster to be inflicted on the UK in the name of socialism? Open your eyes, if only to your own double standards.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

In England we have 'despite Brexit'
In Scotland we have 'SNP Bad'.

Why do the BBC do it?
Quite simple really they are afraid of losing their structure and their jobs.