Baroness Thatcher Dead

Doon frae Troon said:
Sinking the Belgrano was a tough call but it kept the Argie ships in port and saved many British lives.
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Spot on!:thup: You dont mess around with things like that slight hesitation can causes many lives being lost. My Uncle was on board of the Subs as a CPO (Conquer if I remember correctly) when the order was given to drop it and let there be no doubt they didnt hesitate to do so as they and the supporting fleet with it posed a serious threat to the task force. Job done. War is war and conflict alike you do what you need to do to protect your colleagues and if that means making a controversial decision so be it. No rules of engagement were broken in my eyes the fact that it was even in the water sailing about flexing its muscles suggested it meant business. Im sorry for any loss of life in any conflict and Ive seen plenty over the years in the mob...... However Im sure the Argentinian pilots flying mirages and firing Exocet missiles also felt the same when they sunk Sheffield and St Gallahad.

If they invaded again Im not sure David has the balls for it as Maggie did and Im also not sure we have the resources and carriers etc to deal with it due to massive cuts and over commitment but thats another story....:(
 
Decent quote from Tony Blair today - "when you decide you divide". And it's absolutely true. She took tough decision based on what she believed in....something i think is lacking in modern day politics.

Now the 3 main parties really do look and sound the same. Back then at least people had a genuine choice and clearly enough people agreed with her to elect her 3 times.

I have seen her compared to Stalin and Hitler by some extreme lefties in the last couple of days which is beyond ridiculous. This is a democracy not a dictatorship. The people gave her the power to do the things she did.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

We'll never know because Mrs Thatcher threw the baby out with the bathwater.
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I believe most were losing vast amounts of money and they certainly were not competitive, BS were losing over a £1million per day in the 80's. Any business with this model is not sustainable. If Mrs Thatcher hadn't closed these industries do you feel we would have a thriving mining/steel/car industry now?
Thatcher bailed out BS three times before enough was enough.
 
Neddy said:
enough people agreed with her to elect her 3 times.
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Just being a bit pedantic but she wasn't elected PM at all. The only people who elected Maggie to be an MP were the constituents of Grantham.
She became PM because she was Leader of the winning Party....elected by the Party.

I know many people vote "for the Leader/Party" rather than the Candidate on the ballot paper but that's not the way it should be
 
DarthVega said:
I believe most were losing vast amounts of money and they certainly were not competitive, BS were losing over a £1million per day in the 80's. Any business with this model is not sustainable. If Mrs Thatcher hadn't closed these industries do you feel we would have a thriving mining/steel/car industry now?
Thatcher bailed out BS three times before enough was enough.
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Was there a way to make them competitive short of giving up and closing them down?

Maybe! ;)

It's my word for today.

Glad to hear she tried to help BS. But she failed..... maybe that's her legacy... not so much that she destroyed British industry but that she failed to save it?
 
FairwayDodger said:
Was there a way to make them competitive short of giving up and closing them down?

Maybe! ;)

It's my word for today.

Glad to hear she tried to help BS. But she failed..... maybe that's her legacy... not so much that she destroyed British industry but that she failed to save it?
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There's only a certain amount of times you can save a wounded animal, there comes a time when you have to put it down.
 
I will say this about Baroness Thatcher, she obviously made her mark as a PM hence all these posts, I doubt we would have the same for any since except maybe Blair.

yes the gorvernment made mistakes and some of them monumental but they were changing times. I fear more for our country now under the current regime!

RIP Mrs T
 
Fish said:
There's only a certain amount of times you can save a wounded animal, there comes a time when you have to put it down.
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And she was the unfortunate person(Scapegoat) that had to give the lethal injection. Things were ruined before her time.

When she took power the IMF wouldn't give any more to the UK. Its been well stated all around the forums I frequent that without her we'd have been in a worse position than Greece.
 
Neddy said:
Decent quote from Tony Blair today - "when you decide you divide". And it's absolutely true. She took tough decision based on what she believed in....something i think is lacking in modern day politics.

Now the 3 main parties really do look and sound the same. Back then at least people had a genuine choice and clearly enough people agreed with her to elect her 3 times.

I have seen her compared to Stalin and Hitler by some extreme lefties in the last couple of days which is beyond ridiculous. This is a democracy not a dictatorship. The people gave her the power to do the things she did.
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Good post
 
Imurg said:
Just being a bit pedantic but she wasn't elected PM at all. The only people who elected Maggie to be an MP were the constituents of Grantham.
She became PM because she was Leader of the winning Party....elected by the Party.

I know many people vote "for the Leader/Party" rather than the Candidate on the ballot paper but that's not the way it should be
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Just being more pedantic , she was born in Grantham , she was actually MP for Finchley in North London

Happy to point you in the right direction :)
 
Hoping for respectful behaviour from all at her funeral - but I'm not holding my breath. I hold no truck whatsoever with any who disrespect the deceased.
 
The British car industry, along with the coal, steel and shipping industries were the laughing stock of the world during the 60's & 70's. It was only when Thatcher came into power that things started turning around. And for the good.
Would Nissan, Honda, Toyota have invested money into our economy during the 70's or early 80's???
The ones that have gone bought it on themselves by lack of investment, lack of leadership and too many fat cat bosses/union leaders having it there own way.
Good bloody riddance (not to Mrs T by the way)
 
Does anyone actually believe a government and prime Minister could run this country in a manner that everyone would be happy with their policies.

One thing we can still be proud of is that everyone has the right to get out there and work to change things they dont like, or by their determination make a difference. There are so many that bleat and rant at what others do but are too weak to do anything constructive themselves. They were once described by the Chinese as 'Paper Tigers'
 
Smiffy said:
The British car industry, along with the coal, steel and shipping industries were the laughing stock of the world during the 60's & 70's. It was only when Thatcher came into power that things started turning around. And for the good.
Would Nissan, Honda, Toyota have invested money into our economy during the 70's or early 80's???
The ones that have gone bought it on themselves by lack of investment, lack of leadership and too many fat cat bosses/union leaders having it there own way.
Good bloody riddance (not to Mrs T by the way)
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BL car production peaked in 1972 and was in decline thereafter. Who was in power in 1972? I don't think it was Labour.

The bailout that saved it was in 1975. Who was in power then? Labour.

Thatcher wanted to kill it off even sooner than its eventual death.

Thatcher turned it upside down, not around, and sold off most of the decent stuff for a song, with profits going to Germany, France, Japan or the US thereafter. Most of the British makes bought it due to poor outdated design and poor manufacturing quality.
 
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