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vkurup
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Nobody should be sleeping rough (irrespective of their backgrounds)... it is sad
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20704588
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20704588
Not nice to see but I can't help but think what was he like when he was loaded? Would he walk on by when a homeless person was begging for food? I still feel for the guy.
Doon frae Troon
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I think that the story was that he made his career in the USA and only came back to England when he was homeless.
Easy not to feel sorry for him but at least he has a much more humble and realistic attitude now.
chrisd
Major Champion
I did a thread on this programme earlier and thought that he was amazingly grounded for someone who was sleeping on a park bench and then a drug takers charity floor with 25 others. Whatever, I cant see how people should be in a position where they have to sleep rough - especially in the winter months, there really has to be a better solution.
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vkurup
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At work we do an annual charity where you can spend a night with those sleeping rough.. it is a humbling experience..
RGDave
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Good comment.
Personally, I found most of the program (was it last night?) wound me up. Some of it was SO depressing, and I feel desperately sorry and frustrated we can't do more. However, I don't lose much sleep over families who bought posh houses, posh cars and went on skying holidays when times were good. Perhaps if they'd knuckled down and paid off the mortgage, we wouldn't have to get the tissues out...
I'm very black and white on this stuff. One family (the poor ones) who were messed around by the council on the premise they had "made themselves homeless" had me SCREAMING at the telly. The council kicked them out and then has to re-home them in pay-as-you-go temporary accommodation. Where's the sense in that?
....and the Lady who offered to pay £37 a week interest only to the bank. The bank refused to accept this deliberately so they could sell her house and keep any left-overs. There ought to be a law that says if you can't afford a mortgage, but the bank has lent you the money, you should be able to be protected from eviction for a period if you keep up the interest payments.
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SocketRocket
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How do immigrants get these expensive houses where they are claiming for huge rents? Maybe it's easier if you have half a dozen kids with you.
It would be interesting to hear the full background to his story, if he is a clever guy why could he not make a new start in the USA, there are plenty of opportunities over there. There is often much more to many of these stories than portraid in the media, I saw a program recently that showed a number of cases where people were relying on a Food Bank to eat. In each case it looked as if society had let them down, at the end of the program it revealed that many of them were ripping off the food bank, some were working part time getting good benefits, some drinking heavy, smoking, had Sky TV etc. We need a Social system that can investigate peoples lifestyles and set them a plan for life improvement that helps to drag them out of a downward cycle.
It would be interesting to hear the full background to his story, if he is a clever guy why could he not make a new start in the USA, there are plenty of opportunities over there. There is often much more to many of these stories than portraid in the media, I saw a program recently that showed a number of cases where people were relying on a Food Bank to eat. In each case it looked as if society had let them down, at the end of the program it revealed that many of them were ripping off the food bank, some were working part time getting good benefits, some drinking heavy, smoking, had Sky TV etc. We need a Social system that can investigate peoples lifestyles and set them a plan for life improvement that helps to drag them out of a downward cycle.
pokerjoke
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This is a tough subject to comment on.
I must agree on the well off family who had it all,then lost it.
You have to plan for the worst,he was obviously relying on one big company investing in his company.
He should have had a plan in place,so no sympathy to them.
The family with all the kids,ok i have sympathy for the kids because its always the kids that get hurt.
There are many homeless people out there,and surely nobody should be homeless in this country.
We bail out other countries before sorting out our own.
Im going to stop now before i go mental,just posting this starts my blood boiling.
And yes i think im starting to go mad.
I must agree on the well off family who had it all,then lost it.
You have to plan for the worst,he was obviously relying on one big company investing in his company.
He should have had a plan in place,so no sympathy to them.
The family with all the kids,ok i have sympathy for the kids because its always the kids that get hurt.
There are many homeless people out there,and surely nobody should be homeless in this country.
We bail out other countries before sorting out our own.
Im going to stop now before i go mental,just posting this starts my blood boiling.
And yes i think im starting to go mad.
chrisd
Major Champion
Barclays came out with no credit whatsoever for treating a cancer victim so badly. The family with 6 kids - father working nights - they just need proper help, what good could come of evicting them and the banker was very humble about his predicament and trying to get work.
If we cant treat our own properly why do we do overseas aid and give benefits to immigrants? Why are we obliged to house a family from Somalia and evict a family of 8 from Croydon?
You really couldn't make it up!
If we cant treat our own properly why do we do overseas aid and give benefits to immigrants? Why are we obliged to house a family from Somalia and evict a family of 8 from Croydon?
You really couldn't make it up!
RGDave
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Not at all. You made a good post.
I just wish governments and councils and banks and all the rest could just work it out.
Even people who mess up big time need a way back.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I agree.
Didn't see the program, only the news item, and all I could think was that if you're a banker don't you know what it means to keep something aside for a rainy day - especially if you're living in Kensington??...£100K squirrelled away somewhere should be a drop in the ocean for a guy in that position.
Still, he seemed a solid character and I tip my hat to his 'groundedness', hope he finds a roof over his head and some inner peace.
SocketRocket
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I feel they need help but not the open house way of throwing money at them. It's better to give vouchers or a swipe card that can only be exchanged for necessities, along with support that helps to get off the benefit. I think many Social Workers just explain what benefits people are entitled and do nothing about helping them to turn their lives around.
HID works for Fujitsu and they have Shelter as their chose charity this year. A lot from their Manchester office slept rough to raise money for a night recently. Cold and wet and apparently a very eye opening exercise.
