Baby parking

[Dibby]

I do think however there is a massive case of irony involved here how people wouldn’t report something for a misuse of rules (which aren’t law just rules)

However if it came to a round of golf (a game) we expect everyone to stick to the rules if we agree with them or not and would report people who broke them

What rules?

At best parent and child spaces are a courtesy and subject to a badly written contract. I wouldn't report someone for something I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) to be a breach of contract between two parties of which I have no involvement with.
At worst, the parking company enforcing such rules do not even have the right to do so. Do you just follow rules without questioning or verifying them?

Golf is different because by entering a competition, you have explicitly agreed to follow the rules, which includes your duty to make sure the rules are adhered to by others. This agreement is directly between yourself and the hosts of the competition.

 

[PJ87]

What rules?

At best parent and child spaces are a courtesy and subject to a badly written contract. I wouldn't report someone for something I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) to be a breach of contract between two parties of which I have no involvement with.
At worst, the parking company enforcing such rules do not even have the right to do so. Do you just follow rules without questioning or verifying them?

Golf is different because by entering a competition, you have explicitly agreed to follow the rules, which includes your duty to make sure the rules are adhered to by others. This agreement is directly between yourself and the hosts of the competition.

Lol as if people think that golf is more important than actual life?

In private car parks baby and child spaces hold the same legal value as disabled spaces.. private land so it’s only a contract

Would you say parking in a disabled bay without a badge is wrong?

 

[SocketRocket]

Lol as if people think that golf is more important than actual life?

In private car parks baby and child spaces hold the same legal value as disabled spaces.. private land so it’s only a contract

Would you say parking in a disabled bay without a badge is wrong?

Lets be honest about this, these bays are not baby spaces, they are parent child places. There is a big difference between these and disabled parking, the adults and children in most cases could do with the exercise to walk across a carpark. I can uderstand genuine adult baby parking needing some extra space if you are taking out and putting in a baby in a carry chair, just like genuine disabled parking.

 

[PJ87]

Lets be honest about this, these bays are not baby spaces, they are parent child places. There is a big difference between these and disabled parking, the adults and children in most cases could do with the exercise to walk across a carpark. I can uderstand genuine adult baby parking needing some extra space if you are taking out and putting in a baby in a carry chair, just like genuine disabled parking.

Depends what you define as a carry chair though

As it’s 50/50 with our daughter , depending on how far we are planning to go and what we doing

This example we got her stroller out the boot and put her in that and wheeled her round the shops

However if we hadn’t been going marks first and just to kidspace we would have let her walk there

I do agree with you , I think they should be capped to about 5 but then I’d say the majority of parents in situations would actually not use them once their kids no longer need the space to let other parents use them

Sliding rear door cars might be the way forward

 

[chrisd]

Lol as if people think that golf is more important than actual life?

In private car parks baby and child spaces hold the same legal value as disabled spaces.. private land so it’s only a contract

Would you say parking in a disabled bay without a badge is wrong?

Isnt golf actual life?

I've parked in disabled bays without a badge. When I've driven for the first time after having my hips replaced, or my knee reconstructed I certainly parked in disabled bays in private car parks but wouldn't have done so in Council ones as its a lot more hassle.

I absolutely felt disabled at the time and compared to some who I see who have badges and look pretty sprightly when they jump out of their motors I certainly felt the need to keep the walking to a minimum .

 

[Dibby]

Lol as if people think that golf is more important than actual life?

In private car parks baby and child spaces hold the same legal value as disabled spaces.. private land so it’s only a contract

Would you say parking in a disabled bay without a badge is wrong?

I did not say golf was more important. I was pointing out that in golf I have explicitily agreed to follow the rules. If I was playing golf I would report breaches that I witnessed. If I was watching the PGA tour highlights on TV (pre rules change), I wouldn't phone in with a rule breach that I saw, as I am not party to that competition. Do you see the difference?

Disabled bays and parent & child bays are not legally the same, as being disabled is a protected characteristic, but being a parent is not. So enforcing the provision of spaces for disabled people could be considered a reasonable adjustment by a court, but prohibiting anyone except parents with children would not be. It's still contract law, but the contract for a disabled bay would be on less rocky ground.

It's not about what I think is right or wrong. It's whether I would interfere with other peoples business without knowing the full details of what is going on. For example, what if your van driver had her son or daughter in the shop, as they had travelled with her in the van? It's not uncommon to see kids with parents in a van. Why did you assume she didn't have kids with her? This is before we even get to the legality of the contract for the parking space. With so many unknowns and no real harm being done to anyone else, I see no need to get involved.

 

[PJ87]

Isnt golf actual life?

I've parked in disabled bays without a badge. When I've driven for the first time after having my hips replaced, or my knee reconstructed I certainly parked in disabled bays in private car parks but wouldn't have done so in Council ones as its a lot more hassle.

I absolutely felt disabled at the time and compared to some who I see who have badges and look pretty sprightly when they jump out of their motors I certainly felt the need to keep the walking to a minimum .

A game regardless of how important to a person is at the end of the day a game

These spaces (disabled ones) make doing everyday things we all take for granted a lot easier for disabled people

So id say much more important than a game

 

[PJ87]

I did not say golf was more important. I was pointing out that in golf I have explicitily agreed to follow the rules. If I was playing golf I would report breaches that I witnessed. If I was watching the PGA tour highlights on TV (pre rules change), I wouldn't phone in with a rule breach that I saw, as I am not party to that competition. Do you see the difference?

Disabled bays and parent & child bays are not legally the same, as being disabled is a protected characteristic, but being a parent is not. So enforcing the provision of spaces for disabled people could be considered a reasonable adjustment by a court, but prohibiting anyone except parents with children would not be. It's still contract law, but the contract for a disabled bay would be on less rocky ground.

It's not about what I think is right or wrong. It's whether I would interfere with other peoples business without knowing the full details of what is going on. For example, what if your van driver had her son or daughter in the shop, as they had travelled with her in the van? It's not uncommon to see kids with parents in a van. Why did you assume she didn't have kids with her? This is before we even get to the legality of the contract for the parking space. With so many unknowns and no real harm being done to anyone else, I see no need to get involved.

if you google it you can see on private land that disabled spaces and parent and child spaces carry the same weight legally as each other

On street parking however is legally enforceable

They were toying with a scheme for parents around here think it was £50 a year for a badge to park in the parent bays

However it didn’t make it because some parents can’t afford it and wasn’t deemed fair

 

[Pathetic Shark]

I'll give this thread about another hour until it gets closed and infractions handed out. Plus I've nearly finished my popcorn.

 

[chrisd]

A game regardless of how important to a person is at the end of the day a game

These spaces (disabled ones) make doing everyday things we all take for granted a lot easier for disabled people

So id say much more important than a game

Honestly Paul, you're just digging the hole much deeper 🤫

 

[PJ87]

Honestly Paul, you're just digging the hole much deeper 🤫

Golf is a game , a good game we all enjoy. However a game none the less.

Far less important

 

[chrisd]

if you google it you can see on private land that disabled spaces and parent and child spaces carry the same weight legally as each other

On street parking however is legally enforceable

As I've posted before, road markings and sineage in private car parks are not enforceable as they are on the highway. So, if you wrongly park in a supermarket you aren't greaking the law

 

[Dibby]

if you google it you can see on private land that disabled spaces and parent and child spaces carry the same weight legally as each other

On street parking however is legally enforceable

They were toying with a scheme for parents around here think it was £50 a year for a badge to park in the parent bays

However it didn’t make it because some parents can’t afford it and wasn’t deemed fair

What do you mean by legally enforcable?

A contract is legally enforceable, it's just civil law, rather than criminal law. Parking in an on-street disabled bay will get you a penalty, and perhaps up in front of a magistrate if you decide to fight it. Parking in one on private land will get you a charge, which has been said is just an invoice. However, due to the contract wording (around making reasonable provisions for disabled people), the invoice for the disabled bay is more likely to be enforceable and a country court judge would find in favour of it. With a parent and child bay, if the sign just prohibits parking, the judge would likely find that a contract had not even been entered into, and so there is no case to answer.

 

[PJ87]

What do you mean by legally enforcable?

A contract is legally enforceable, it's just civil law, rather than criminal law. Parking in an on-street disabled bay will get you a penalty, and perhaps up in front of a magistrate if you decide to fight it. Parking in one on private land will get you a charge, which has been said is just an invoice. However, due to the contract wording (around making reasonable provisions for disabled people), the invoice for the disabled bay is more likely to be enforceable and a country court judge would find in favour of it. With a parent and child bay, if the sign just prohibits parking, the judge would likely find that a contract had not even been entered into, and so there is no case to answer.

So exactly what I said

Pc and disabled on private land.. same thing just a contract

On street it’s a fixed pen notice

 

[Dibby]

So exactly what I said

Pc and disabled on private land.. same thing just a contract

On street it’s a fixed pen notice

No, not exactly what you just said.

You claimed a disabled space and a parent & child space carried the same weight. A disability is a protected characteristic, but being a parent (excluding maternity laws) is not. There are laws requiring private landowners to make provisions for disabled people, but not for parents with children. Not all contracts are equal.

 

[PJ87]

No, not exactly what you just said.

You claimed a disabled space and a parent & child space carried the same weight. A disability is a protected characteristic, but being a parent (excluding maternity laws) is not. There are laws requiring private landowners to make provisions for disabled people, but not for parents with children. Not all contracts are equal.

They carry the same weight though as Chris has pointed out in his posts
He parked in one without a badge when carrying an injury

So under the rules of the car park it’s all the same , if there’s a sign saying only certain people can park there only they are suppose to but if others do they are liable for a ticket (an invoice as Chris put it) however these are basically worthless

 

[Dibby]

They carry the same weight though as Chris has pointed out in his posts
He parked in one without a badge when carrying an injury

So under the rules of the car park it’s all the same , if there’s a sign saying only certain people can park there only they are suppose to but if others do they are liable for a ticket (an invoice as Chris put it) however these are basically worthless

No, it's not the same.

Firstly the contract wording is different. It depends on what the signage says exactly. Do you consider the purchase of a house the same as that of signing up to a mobile phone contract, just because they are both contractual agreements?
Chris is also only talking about the contract imposed by the private parking company engaged to manage the car park, and the terms for them making a charge legally enforceable.

Secondly, it also depends on the will of the landowner. For example, it could be considered trespass. If it went to court for trespass, it would come down to what the damages were. For someone using a parent and child space, and visiting the shop the damages would almost certainly be zero, but if someone used a disabled space, and then a genuinely disabled person turned up and provision had to be made for them, the damages would be some amount higher than zero, to account for the provisions that had to be made.

In practical terms, for the most part, supermarkets and retail parks are not in the habit of taking their customers to court, but it doesn't change the legal position that they could.

 

[User20204]

I wonder if there is irony or intention in your location being Havering

 

[PJ87]

I wonder if there is irony or intention in your location being Havering

Good morning happy. Glad you could join us again , taking time out of your busy schedule

Havering eh? How hilarious ..

Must return those Jimmy Carr tickets , he’s got nothing on your sharp wit and delivery

 

[PJ87]

No, it's not the same.

Firstly the contract wording is different. It depends on what the signage says exactly. Do you consider the purchase of a house the same as that of signing up to a mobile phone contract, just because they are both contractual agreements?
Chris is also only talking about the contract imposed by the private parking company engaged to manage the car park, and the terms for them making a charge legally enforceable.

Secondly, it also depends on the will of the landowner. For example, it could be considered trespass. If it went to court for trespass, it would come down to what the damages were. For someone using a parent and child space, and visiting the shop the damages would almost certainly be zero, but if someone used a disabled space, and then a genuinely disabled person turned up and provision had to be made for them, the damages would be some amount higher than zero, to account for the provisions that had to be made.

In practical terms, for the most part, supermarkets and retail parks are not in the habit of taking their customers to court, but it doesn't change the legal position that they could.

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