Aussies caught cheating on camera

[Lord Tyrion]

are we going to stop players eating sugary sweets that they dont touch off the field

They can eat what they like off the pitch, the umpires have the ball then. By the time they get on the pitch, get to the middle, get the ball off the umpire, the effectiveness of the sugar has disappeared from their saliva. Sweets in the pocket during a match are a no no.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

still say bans are excessive to say the least
remind what atherton got for same offence
are we going to stop players eating sugary sweets that they dont touch off the field

What the hell has Atherton's actions all those years ago got to do with the current situation?

It's not a case of legal precedent.

 

[Mudball]

Well,, the 'punishment' is likely to reversed even before the ink is dry... Looks like they are pushing for the ban to exclude Australian domestic cricket. Acc to some of the Indian media if they ban is applicable to International duties then it means they will be able to play in the IPL - since the IPL is not considered international cricket.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...stic-cricket-to-be-eased-20180401-p4z7bs.html

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Well,, the 'punishment' is likely to reversed even before the ink is dry... Looks like they are pushing for the ban to exclude Australian domestic cricket. Acc to some of the Indian media if they ban is applicable to International duties then it means they will be able to play in the IPL - since the IPL is not considered international cricket.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...stic-cricket-to-be-eased-20180401-p4z7bs.html

I thought it was an international ban only from CA anyway. Smith and Warner retired form their IPL captaincies themselves, but then the IPL decided to ban them outright anyway.
The IPL is serperate from any cricketing authority.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I thought it was an international ban only from CA anyway. Smith and Warner retired form their IPL captaincies themselves, but then the IPL decided to ban them outright anyway.
The IPL is serperate from any cricketing authority.

This.

The IPL is huge, huge business. What company or product would want to be linked to these guys at the moment?

Would not be entirely surprised to see the players union challenge for a reduction in the length of ban though.

 

[Junior]

Their "lost" IPL contracts were worth $2.4m. I see Hales is going over to replace Warner.

Were they crying because they were sorry, or, were they crying because they got caught ?

Warner seems a delicate flower and not the sharpest knife in the draw. It'll be interesting to see what he comes out with. Seems like he's holding back to protect the others.

What I don't get is how the bowlers never realised........

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I hate to be fair to an Aussie, bowler, but we don't know how long it was before bancroft had been caught. He may have been noticed first time up meaning the ball had barely been touched. I don't think they have said if they had spent long on the ball before they were caught.

Clearly, if he had been doing it for a while then they must have noticed. It's part of their job to care for a ball and any changes would be felt and seen very quickly.

 

[Paperboy]

Their "lost" IPL contracts were worth $2.4m. I see Hales is going over to replace Warner.

Were they crying because they were sorry, or, were they crying because they got caught ?

Warner seems a delicate flower and not the sharpest knife in the draw. It'll be interesting to see what he comes out with. Seems like he's holding back to protect the others.

What I don't get is how the bowlers never realised........

A friend has heard Warner has asked younger players to do this in Shield cricket as well. Also he's not very well liked by most people!

 

[srixon 1]

Is frantic polishing of the ball not a form of tampering, or is this just accepted as the norm?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Is frantic polishing of the ball not a form of tampering, or is this just accepted as the norm?

Accepted and legal since cricket began. Natural saliva and your trousers are allowed. Outside influences are not. The team polisher has tried sucking sweets to add a sticky finish to the ball, Trescothick did it during an Ashes series if my memory serves me right, thinking that would help but the law makers got wise to that and that is now banned

If the ball could not be polished at all then the balance of the game would swing too far towards the batsman. The aim is for an equal battle and polishing the ball legally so that it can swing is part of the bowlers armoury.

 

[Junior]

A friend has heard Warner has asked younger players to do this in Shield cricket as well. Also he's not very well liked by most people!

Im not surprised. The fact he gets others to do it speaks volumes about him.

 

[shagster]

metal micky

what atherton did was the same
appling dry dirt to a ball to alter its condition
is this not what bancroft did

 

[Hobbit]

metal micky

what atherton did was the same
appling dry dirt to a ball to alter its condition
is this not what bancroft did

I'm with you on this one Shaggy. Atherton used dirt to rough up one side of the ball. As big a cheat as Bancroft.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

metal micky

what atherton did was the same
appling dry dirt to a ball to alter its condition
is this not what bancroft did

So the fact that Atherton did something similar 25 years ago somehow mitigates what the Australians have just done?

Of course it doesn't.

 

[shagster]

google all the other ball tampering cheats, including english and our supply of players, south africa
they have been many caught and had very little punishment
atherton even changed his story about whet he was doing
yet 1 or 2 match bans
the bans given to the australians is a joke
it is extremely wrong especially in light of other punishments

 

[Fish]

I’d ship them off to an island along with other offenders.......oh wait........

 

[Junior]

I admit to dishing a fair bit out as a narky quick(ish) bowler. You would always pick your targets. Old rivalries, grudge players, players who had given it me in the past. Never young kids, rabbits in headlights or people making up numbers.
Ironically, onwards the end of my playing days it was the younger 18 or so yr olds who were the worst for giving it....
With regards to the Oz situation is it worse than what atherton did?!? I just can’t stand Warner, but that’s more as an England fan than anything. I wonder if Smith will ever recover?

..... and then I would open the batting and get both barrels as they thought I was you.....who'd be an identical twin.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

..... and then I would open the batting and get both barrels as they thought I was you.....who'd be an identical twin.

Ha ha, that's brilliant. Where did you play? I grew up playing at Toft.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

google all the other ball tampering cheats, including english and our supply of players, south africa
they have been many caught and had very little punishment
atherton even changed his story about whet he was doing
yet 1 or 2 match bans
the bans given to the australians is a joke
it is extremely wrong especially in light of other punishments

Surely that is the point.

Previous punishments have been far too lenient to deter players from continuing to cheat. If the authorities had taken a firmer stance then perhaps the cheating might have stopped.

I really couldn't care less which country's players are involved in the deception of the public. Whoever is caught tampering in the future should, I believe, receive similar bans.

And BTW the Australians also changed their stories, just like Atherton.

 

[Junior]

Ha ha, that's brilliant. Where did you play? I grew up playing at Toft.

Nice. Played at Toft many times. Good wicket to bat on there!! We were both at Lymm, and also went through the age groups with Cheshire and Lancashire Youth Cricket as it was then.