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Lehman stepping down after this series.
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Aussies caught cheating on camera
- Thread starter Mudball
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Not much sympathy from this place eh 🤣🤣
So tell me, why not ? I don't think it's cause theyot cheating I suspect the lack of sympathy is deeper rooted.
So tell me, why not ? I don't think it's cause theyot cheating I suspect the lack of sympathy is deeper rooted.
Piece
Tour Winner
"Lehman made his decision after watching Smith and Bancroft deliver emotional apologies at news conferences earlier on Thursday."
"After viewing Steve and Cameron's hurting, it's only fair that I make this decision," said Lehmann, who was contracted until the 2019 Ashes. "I'm ultimately responsible for the culture of the team."
"This will allow cricket Australia to complete a full review into the team and allow them to implement changes to regain the trust of the Australian public, this is the right thing for Australian cricket."
"It's been a wonderful experience coaching the Australian cricket team. I hope the team rebuilds from this and the Australian public finds it in their hearts to forgive these young men."
He added: "They've made a grave mistake but they are not bad people."
"After viewing Steve and Cameron's hurting, it's only fair that I make this decision," said Lehmann, who was contracted until the 2019 Ashes. "I'm ultimately responsible for the culture of the team."
"This will allow cricket Australia to complete a full review into the team and allow them to implement changes to regain the trust of the Australian public, this is the right thing for Australian cricket."
"It's been a wonderful experience coaching the Australian cricket team. I hope the team rebuilds from this and the Australian public finds it in their hearts to forgive these young men."
He added: "They've made a grave mistake but they are not bad people."
It would be the equivalent of Mourinho cheating and being caught. The Aussies for the last few years have been aggressive, nasty, unpleasant. They have been getting under the skin of most test nations, not just England, hence the worldwide joy at what has happened. There is a fair amount of joy under the heading of 'couldn't happen to a nicer bunch'.
Australians have always pushed close to the wind and there are a few of their team over the years who we would have enjoyed watching squirm had this happened to them. David Warner is in that category so people are enjoying watching his fall from grace.
Thanks, that explains a lot.
3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
The Barmy Army had a song saying that it would have been better Warner being on the receiving end of ‘that ball’ rather than Phil Hughes!
I still see Mike Atherton as a cheat, exactly the same as the Aussies. Got nowt to do with who they are or who they play for. If you have a look at the level of criticism they are receiving at home, its brutal, and no different to on here.
Wilson
Head Pro
Interestingly, my Australian relatives are being far harsher than we are, their view is that all 3 of them, plus Lehman, should be banned for life, for disgracing the Australian Cricket Team.
Now the initial shock was warn off, and more info has come out, I do have an ounce of sympathy for Bancroft, he’s young, and I think has allowed Warner to bully him into this. I feel slightly sorry for Smith, he’s made a very poor choice in not stopping Warner/Bancroft, and will rightly pay the price, I also admire him for facing the press with Bancroft, and not throwing him under the bus on his own. As for Warner, he deserves all he gets, he’s a bully, who loves to dish it, but can’t take it - my suspicion is that he’s the ring leader in this, and it’ll be interesting as to which teams give him a chance from here.
Now the initial shock was warn off, and more info has come out, I do have an ounce of sympathy for Bancroft, he’s young, and I think has allowed Warner to bully him into this. I feel slightly sorry for Smith, he’s made a very poor choice in not stopping Warner/Bancroft, and will rightly pay the price, I also admire him for facing the press with Bancroft, and not throwing him under the bus on his own. As for Warner, he deserves all he gets, he’s a bully, who loves to dish it, but can’t take it - my suspicion is that he’s the ring leader in this, and it’ll be interesting as to which teams give him a chance from here.
Wilson
Head Pro
I concur with your thoughts on Lehman, how he thought his position was tenable after this I’ll never know, and why CA didn’t think they needed a clear out, to reset the culture, is beyond me.
chrisd
Major Champion
Its funny that everything seems to be about Australia and their supporters, very little about South Africa and the world wide supporters who have had their sport tarnished. And, I disagree that they "are not bad people", in my opinion cheats are "bad people"
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Yes mine too! They also cannot believe that it was just those three who were banned - incredulous that none of the bowlers were found to be involved! As one of my cousins said to me, in typical aussie style "mate, if the bowlers didn't know the f****** ball was being f****** tampered with then they're f****** idiots"!!
Mudball
Assistant Pro
Good one from Cricinfo .. they digging up some old dirt here.. as you say much of the rest of the world is enjoying this ring side view while the Joe Aussie is asking for blood and turned up at CA with their pitchforks .. CA on the other hand is still in damage control
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22961057/sanctimony-steve-waugh
I wonder who will be the first to write a kiss and tell book .. Warner?
user2010
Challenge Tour Pro
I reckon there was more ball-tampering going on in those interviews, to make themselves cry/tear up.
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Totally agree. Look at most sledging quotes and they involve an Aussie either giving it out or taking a cracker of a reply.
I think the change in culture started with Alan Border who decided the team was too soft. Since then they have played in the faces of the opposition and made a lot of enemies. Every Aussie team in my memory, including great players such as McGrath, Warne, Hayden have been damned nasty.
I should add, Anderson and Stokes are sledgers and I wish they would stop or be stopped. It is unnecessary and demeaning.
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Deleted member 18588
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Absolutely spot on.
Anderson is probably one of the biggest "gobs" in world cricket.
I have never understood why teams think sledging is necessary and most who give it can't take it.
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I disagree MM, sledging is a part of the game that I think is great. I know some overstep the mark but overall I think it’s good for the game.
Lazkir
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Because it's a form of bullying, and like most bullies, they can dish it out but can't take it.
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Deleted member 18588
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I have been on the end of It, albeit in Club cricket, and I found it pathetic because the sledger is almost invariably acting up and wouldn't be prepared to back himself off the field.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones..."
Don Barzini
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Sledging has become part of the game, which is a shame really. But I suppose the equivalent of it happens in every team sport. True to say that a lot of the ones who dish it out can’t take it when the tables are turned. Warner is a prize example.
I think its appalling if it happens at amateur level though. I played village cricket a few years back after not playing since I was a teenager and I was surprised to see (and hear) it go on. I played for a men’s team and we had a few teenagers playing for us too. One time a young lad of 14 or 15 went out to bat and as he entered the field, several grown men started giving him verbal abuse along the lines of “You’re only here to make up the numbers, you won’t last longâ€. He was a good player but the poor kid didn’t fare too well as a result and was almost in tears when he came back from the middle.
I think its appalling if it happens at amateur level though. I played village cricket a few years back after not playing since I was a teenager and I was surprised to see (and hear) it go on. I played for a men’s team and we had a few teenagers playing for us too. One time a young lad of 14 or 15 went out to bat and as he entered the field, several grown men started giving him verbal abuse along the lines of “You’re only here to make up the numbers, you won’t last longâ€. He was a good player but the poor kid didn’t fare too well as a result and was almost in tears when he came back from the middle.
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One of my sons made his debut in the Leics Premier League at the age of 14 and when in the forties (finished 48 n.o.) was told by the opposition wicket-keeper that it was "the sh****est" batting he had seen all season. Andrew is a keeper himself and he responded by saying to this 38 year old "I know but stick around and you will at least see some decent keeping!"
The guy was apoplectic with anger and started going on to his team-mates but unfortunately for him they had collapsed with laughter. Also had a former Kent & Leics bowler have a go at him and he too couldn't take it when the youngster had a go back.
Like I say I cannot see the point.
