Aussies caught cheating on camera

Lord Tyrion said:
Do you think so? If you google previous punishments for ball tampering they don't come anywhere close to this. This is a massive punishment.

Regarding Bancroft, if you see the sugar in the pocket picture from the 4th test v England then that would suggest he has previous and this was not a first attempt.

The ban by the IPL is a big one. Smith and Warner would be on big money there so that will hurt.
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Yes it's a massive punishment, but given the level of outrage - especially in Australia - CA could've made an even bigger statement that would've had a huge impact on cricket across the globe. Just my opinion of course!

Take your point about Bancroft and the 4th Ashes test, but ultimately still very early in his test career and establishing himself in the Australian side. Yes he should've known better and perhaps stood his ground and refused, but ultimately when you're getting pressure from the senior players very difficult to do that.
 
I think it is the right ban bearing in mind the outrage across Australian sport in general. I would, however, have added to it in that I would have given all involved the chance to admit to previous wrongdoing like this and advised that if involvement in this or any other instance was denied but later found out then the ban would be even more severe.
 
Anyone think we ought to set fire to a new set of stumps, chuck them in an urn and invite the Kiwis over every 18 months or so for 5 tests instead of the convicts....... :whistle:
 
Penalties aren't hard IMHO. Wouldn't surprise if some of this punishment isn't just because of the test match v Saffers, but takes into consideration what's has (allegedly) gone on before.

All three could be playing the Ashes next summer. :D
 
Totally agree with previous post. Bancroft came over quite sincere.

However think it will be totally different once Warner takes centre stage. Cannot see him appearing contrite!
 
Pitiful if you ask me, and a display that doesn’t wash with me.
Have to say, since these 3 players were the only ones to be punished or knew of the actions.....what sort of bowlers do the Aussies have that don’t notice a side of the ball has been scuffed up big time?
 
Matty6 said:
Not sure I buy the ‘tears’ from Mr Smith this morning. 樂
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It looked genuine to me. I suspect the gravity of it is dawning on him, currently the worlds best batsman has had his legacy tarnished forever.

Whilst not excusing him in any way, I think this is an example of a situation where you have had a long pattern of questionable behaviour where the line keeps getting pushed further and further, until it eventually gets pushed too far . And the people who are doing the pushing at that time cop for it. Happens a lot and the current general culture of the setup is a lot to blame (see also MPs expense scandal, the #metoo movement, and I'm not comparing the severity or impact of them, just the way they were allowed to happen) . Yes in this case he is a main part of setting that culture, but the foundations have been laid for a long time.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
what sort of bowlers do the Aussies have that don’t notice a side of the ball has been scuffed up big time?
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This irks me a great deal. The whole purpose of working on the ball is for the benefit of the bowlers. What world class bowling outfit wouldn’t notice a severely roughed up ball.

The Aussies have decided that they will only let three people take the rap for this. I can’t believe for one minute the bowlers weren’t aware of what was going on.
 
Shamelessly ripped from Twitter....

It's Mitchell Starc I feel sorry for because, according to CA, it was only 3 batsmen who knew about the ball tampering designed to help the bowling attack. Poor sod has genuinely believed he's Wasim Akram all this time....
 
I think you have to be pretty heartless not to be touched by Smiths press conference. Possibly not being a cricket fan or from a cricketing nation I can be a bit more objective but that seemed sincere to me.

He's messed up big time, show me someone who hasn't and I'll show you a liar and I do believe he wishes he hadn't but the fact remains if yer gonna cheat you have to accept what comes your way if you get caught.
 
Smith is carrying the can for Warner's instigation of ball tampering. Smith's mistake was turning a blind eye and not stopping it there and then when he knew. Which leads nicely to Lehmann. If Smith is the fall-guy, then surely Lehmann is as well, being the coach of the team that sets the tone and culture. Him not knowing is irrelevant. He's in charge of the team, it's happened under his watch and thus needs to be fired or resign. Leaving the three players to take all the consequences isn't right in my book.

Looking forward to a Warner presser, if and when it comes. :mmm:
 
Top post from Piece. The tone of this side has been dreadful for some time, that is set and allowed to develop by Lehman. I can buy that he didn't know about this, looking at the balcony and walkie talkie conversations I can accept that, but the atmosphere of the team and the fact they thought this would be okay suggests a cultural issue within that dressing room.

With regards to the state of the ball, the skill would be to affect the ball without making the change obvious. The umpire checks the ball every so often, it gets passed to them after a wicket, end of session etc, so any major roughing up would be identified immediately. Bancroft would be looking to make marginal alterations to the ball. At that level, that is all that is required.

The one point I would accept from Lehman is that we have to be a little careful about those three players now. I confess to enjoying the initial bloodletting but there is a welfare issue now and I hope CA are handling them. In the modern era of social media, 24 hr news the pressures must be huge and it would be horrible if one of them did something stupid following all of this.
 
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Piece said:
Smith is carrying the can for Warner's instigation of ball tampering. Smith's mistake was turning a blind eye and not stopping it there and then when he knew. Which leads nicely to Lehmann. If Smith is the fall-guy, then surely Lehmann is as well, being the coach of the team that sets the tone and culture. Him not knowing is irrelevant. He's in charge of the team, it's happened under his watch and thus needs to be fired or resign. Leaving the three players to take all the consequences isn't right in my book.

Looking forward to a Warner presser, if and when it comes. :mmm:
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Does this just apply in sport?

If I give someone a written warning or even dismissal, as their manager I typically don't give myself one too or expect one from my boss for their misdemeanor just because it was on my watch, especially if i had no knowledge
 
Slab said:
Does this just apply in sport?

If I give someone a written warning or even dismissal, as their manager I typically don't give myself one too or expect one from my boss for their misdemeanor just because it was on my watch, especially if i had no knowledge
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I think the relationship is different. He is with them intensely for 8-9 months of the year, sharing hotels, dressing rooms etc. He spends an awful lot of time with the players, in close confines. What the players know they can and can not get away with is far more likely. Whilst this is possibly a one off the Aussies have been getting in the faces of opponents for some time now. That is not by accident. You can compare that to Mourinho, creating a siege mentality, them against us.
 
Green Man said:
Agree. They are only sorry because they got caught.

The idea that this was the first time they did it or that they were the only players involved is laughable.
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Exactly. If the cameras hadn’t caught them out, would they have had a guilty moment and fessed up? Of course not.
They have been caught cheating, and now are trying to reduce the disgust of their actions by trying to garner sympathy.
Personally I think the whole team is culpable.
 
Slab said:
Does this just apply in sport?

If I give someone a written warning or even dismissal, as their manager I typically don't give myself one too or expect one from my boss for their misdemeanor just because it was on my watch, especially if i had no knowledge
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Politics and government is another obvious area where this may apply?
 
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