Aussies caught cheating on camera

[Billysboots]

Interesting interview on SSN with Stuart Broad. I am not a huge fan of his, but his clever choice of words is spot on.

To paraphrase, he says the Aussies managed to get the ball to reverse superbly during a The Ashes, despite Steve Smith saying this ball tampering was a one off. Why, asks Broad, have Australia had to change their tactics for this game? Why not just do what they did during The Ashes?

If that’s not an accusation that the Australians were up to similar tricks in the winter, I don’t know what is.

 

[Imurg]

I hope you are right, particularly as this was planned not a momentary brain freeze. Time will tell but the penalty so far has been pretty feeble.

I think this is the difference LT..
It was premeditated.
Although wrong, a one off, spur of the moment brain cart can be accepted, dealt with and forgotten.
3, 4 or 5 players were in on this.
The noises coming out of Oz, especially from those higher up in the chain, do imply that the proverbial book is going to be lobbed quite fiercely.
The next couple of days could be interesting

 

[fundy]

I think this is the difference LT..
It was premeditated.
Although wrong, a one off, spur of the moment brain cart can be accepted, dealt with and forgotten.
3, 4 or 5 players were in on this.
The noises coming out of Oz, especially from those higher up in the chain, do imply that the proverbial book is going to be lobbed quite fiercely.
The next couple of days could be interesting

There's 5 players in the leadership group (because the aussies need 5 to lead the other 6 haha), and anyone who thinks Lehman isnt involved too just lol. All 6 should have the book thrown at them. The ICC failed (theres a shock) rumours abound the CA wont but we'll see

 

[Wilson]

The punishments given out so far, should also see the ICC top brass removed, as they are absolutely shambolic! Pre-mediated ball tampering, should end up with lengthy bans, I’m talking 12months plus, based on what they’ve issued, you have to say it’s worth a try, especially if it helped them to a 5-0 in the Ashes.... I’ve seen a clip on Twitter, which it’s claims is Bancroft putting sugar in his pocket before an Ashes Test.....

 

[ColchesterFC]

There's now a video circulating of Bancroft "appearing to pour sugar into his pocket" during the 5th Ashes test. I can only assume that he suffers from low sugar levels and that he wasn't using an artificial substance to help shine the ball.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Grand sense of karma to watch the Aussies getting skittled out cheaply and royally stuffed. I wish the ICC would become a governing body fit for purpose and impose the level of punishment in line with the seriousness of the offence. I also hope the Aussie board take a long hard look at this and also act. It has to make you wonder if it went on the in the Ashes too, and indeed how long it's been happening

 

[shagster]

it is no worse than atherton and a pocket full of dirt
no worse than edging a ball and not walking
no worse than players eating sugary sweets, then applying to a ball
no worse then applying substances to clothing, face etc to apply to a ball
moaning about a ball being slightly out of shape!! it usually moves more like that anyway
when all these are cleared up then we may see a difference

 

[fundy]

it is no worse than atherton and a pocket full of dirt
no worse than edging a ball and not walking
no worse than players eating sugary sweets, then applying to a ball
no worse then applying substances to clothing, face etc to apply to a ball
moaning about a ball being slightly out of shape!! it usually moves more like that anyway
when all these are cleared up then we may see a difference

Its premeditated, the premeditation makes it far worse imo, the fact that half the aussie side discussed it and decided it was the way forward makes it far worse. There is plenty wrong with cricket and the sport and its morals have vastly deteriorated and this still stands out as horrendous, especially considering how whiter than white they are when preaching about everyone else

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Everybody involved should be banned from cricket for life.

That would make a loud and clear statement to the rest of the world that cheating is not acceptable.

 

[Billysboots]

it is no worse than atherton and a pocket full of dirt
no worse than edging a ball and not walking
no worse than players eating sugary sweets, then applying to a ball
no worse then applying substances to clothing, face etc to apply to a ball
moaning about a ball being slightly out of shape!! it usually moves more like that anyway
when all these are cleared up then we may see a difference

It’s infinitely worse. The fact that an entire group of senior players and, I suspect, coaches, sat down and decided on this course of action, AND then roped in the least experienced player in the side to do their dirty work for them takes this to a whole new level.

I have long disliked the smug Smith and sneering David Warner. I’m so glad my opinion of them has been vindicated. Australia have been behaving in a boorish way for years, but I have still admired how good they can be. But I’m delighted that they will, at long last, be the authors of their own demise.

Their arrogance, and the crass stupidity shown by thinking they would have a hope of getting away with it, have come back to slap them squarely in the face.

 

[shagster]

whilst i agree with a lot of billysboots comments
cheating is cheating
atherton did not find the dirt on the pitch, he took it with him
chewing sugary sweets is to gain an advantage just as sunscreen type products are
they had a piece of emery paper which has the same effect
doing it in front of SA telly was stupid aka atherton

 

[richart]

I think it is insulting to England that the Aussies didn't need to revert to cheating to beat us. They should be made to apologise.

Can imagine what the banter will be like when Smith, Warner Bancroft etc are batting. Might need to turn down the stump microphones.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

whilst i agree with a lot of billysboots comments
cheating is cheating
atherton did not find the dirt on the pitch, he took it with him
chewing sugary sweets is to gain an advantage just as sunscreen type products are
they had a piece of emery paper which has the same effect
doing it in front of SA telly was stupid aka atherton

Reference to Atherton's dirt in the pocket is hardly relevant to the current situation as it was over 25 years ago.

As for the sweets and sunscreen they are not in the same field as the Australians actions. They are not concealed.

 

[Sweep]

Wouldn’t it be a start to disallow pockets in cricket trousers and putting your hand down your pants during the course of play (which is basically bad manners anyway, I mean someone had to shake his hand at the end of the game).

I jest, but maybe a cricket aficionado could explain the difference between shining the ball which is after all changing the ball and this.

 

[Wilson]

Wouldn’t it be a start to disallow pockets in cricket trousers and putting your hand down your pants during the course of play (which is basically bad manners anyway, I mean someone had to shake his hand at the end of the game).

I jest, but maybe a cricket aficionado could explain the difference between shining the ball which is after all changing the ball and this.

It’s about getting the ball to swing, with a newer ball the shiny side will travel through the air quicker, making it swing. With an older ball, I believe the air goes through the seam and somehow makes the ball swing towards the shiny side.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Wouldn’t it be a start to disallow pockets in cricket trousers and putting your hand down your pants during the course of play (which is basically bad manners anyway, I mean someone had to shake his hand at the end of the game).

I jest, but maybe a cricket aficionado could explain the difference between shining the ball which is after all changing the ball and this.

You are allowed to shine the ball by rubbing on your trousers and natural saliva. These two methods are deemed natural. You are not allowed to introduce outside or artificial elements in order to shine the ball.

People tried Murray mints etc to add a sugary element but that has been stopped now.

Trousers and saliva, no more.

Both of the above allow a gradual shine to the ball, one that is achievable to all, and will not distort the movement of the ball in an unreasonable way.

In golfing terms a driver can give an element of spring off the face but not too much. Cricket has tried to retain the not too much aspect of shining by restricting the methods of shining.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I should add, the Aussies were trying to rough one side up. The theory is the same as shining. Create a difference between the two sides of the ball, one shiny, one rough. The greater the difference the greater the swing.

Umpires do check the ball every so often to see if there is obvious tampering happening.

 

[Hobbit]

I think the ICC bottled it. The punishments dished out are derisory. I hope CA do more, probably in the hope of repairing some of their reputation.

And talking of reputations; good or bad, they stick around like chewing gum on the bottom of your shoe. I look at Atherton and think cheat. The senior leadership team of Australia will always be labelled as cheats. And I hope the sledging they will receive is brutal.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It appears the ICC can do more than a one match ban for Smith and have put the ball in the court of CA - talk of Captaincy and Vice being removed from Smith and Warner plus 6 or 12 month bans - plus Lehman losing his job - nothing been said about Bancroft who i expect will get a smaller ban

 

[Mudball]

Looks like Smith has lost the captaincy of his IPL side.. but he is allowed to play.. acc to cricimfo

Though Smith will not lead Royals, he will available for selection. According to the franchise, only if Smith gets banned by Cricket Australia or if the BCCI says he cannot play, will he not play the IPL.