Army Pay in Scotland Shocker

Dibby said:
This is actually an interesting additional complication. If a units permanent base is in Scotland, but they are posted overseas, do they still pay the higher Scottish rate of tax, because that is their permanent UK residence, or do they drop to the rest of the UK's tax system?

To me, this looks like it has the potential for becoming as much a nightmare as the US tax system which I have the misfortune of having to deal with.
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I was always paid the same basic wage and taxed the same as per my rank at the time wherever I was posted, you would see an adjustment as a separate entry for exchange variables as LP describes, but, when on active tours (NI, UN, ME etc) there would also be another entry as we got extra for certain tours and active duty.

I think the pads got more than the single barrack boys when away on tours, which was the only gripe.

Nothing changed when posted temporarily (6-24mth tours) to somewhere away from your main barracks or unit which would/could be home for around 3yrs on average anywhere in the world, unless you were a home guard regiment with a constant UK residence and only doing short tours.

Either way, I saw no difference in my pay as far as tax was concerned, as long as there was enough in the account for a constant flow of beers and dirty women, I doubt if many of us took that much notice.
 
pauldj42 said:
2nd LT starting wage £31k, 2 pay bands for other ranks, lower and higher pay band.

Try researching facts before you tell us what you believe.

As for soldiers serving in Scotland, they have no choice, you go were you are posted.

2 Light Infantry Regiments a few years back, one Regiment recruits primarliy from the South and South West of England, the other from the North East and Scotland.

One Regt went to Edinburgh, the other to Bulford, both for 3 years, have a guess which Regt they sent were!
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So do you swallow the MOD/BBC statement that 70% of soldiers serving in Scotland will lose out on pay.

Are 70% above that rank? If so you will have some interesting march passes.:lol:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
So do you swallow the MOD/BBC statement that 70% of soldiers serving in Scotland will lose out on pay.

Are 70% above that rank? If so you will have some interesting march passes.:lol:
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Where does the 70% figure come from?

The only mention of 70% in the article is in the following quote from a Scottish finance scretary.

"As a result of the Scottish government's progressive tax system 70% of people in Scotland are paying less tax this year than they did last year for a given income and we hope those who have seen their tax bills reduce will not be disadvantaged by the UK government's proposals."

The only mention of people affected by the MOD is the line:

"The MoD says about 8,000 military personnel have been affected"

Like I said in my other post, I'm all for holding people to account, but you have to do it with facts. You cannot just assume things or make up numbers with no basis, or you lose all credibility.
 
Dibby said:
Where does the 70% figure come from?

The only mention of 70% in the article is in the following quote from a Scottish finance scretary.

"As a result of the Scottish government's progressive tax system 70% of people in Scotland are paying less tax this year than they did last year for a given income and we hope those who have seen their tax bills reduce will not be disadvantaged by the UK government's proposals."

The only mention of people affected by the MOD is the line:

"The MoD says about 8,000 military personnel have been affected"

Like I said in my other post, I'm all for holding people to account, but you have to do it with facts. You cannot just assume things or make up numbers with no basis, or you lose all credibility.
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He doesn’t do fact, just spin and guesswork!
 
Doon frae Troon said:
So do you swallow the MOD/BBC statement that 70% of soldiers serving in Scotland will lose out on pay.

Are 70% above that rank? If so you will have some interesting march passes.:lol:
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I’ll try my best, let’s say Scotland has the best tax system in the world, let’s say Scotland is the best place for Military personnel to be stationed.

Why should some British Military personnel (Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish and Commonwealth personnel) lose out financially for being posted to Scotland?

Now they’re not, now you can spin it as a Tory/SNP issue or a Rank/Class issue or a which ever way you like issue, but to me, no one willing to serving their Country should lose out financially regardless of Rank or Class or political persuasion and I’m glad it’s sorted.
 
Spoke to my mate who is posted in Scotland and he pays Uk/England income tax the same as his mate who works in Oxford ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Spoke to my mate who is posted in Scotland and he pays Uk/England income tax the same as his mate who works in Oxford ?
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Red Card was asked on GMS yesterday if he was campaigning for all the low paid forces personnel to have their tax cut to Scottish levels in other areas of UK - "erm, argh, bluergh, eh" etc. Useless linesman, useless MP.
 
HughJars said:
Red Card was asked on GMS yesterday if he was campaigning for all the low paid forces personnel to have their tax cut to Scottish levels in other areas of UK - "erm, argh, bluergh, eh" etc. Useless linesman, useless MP.
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What an embarrassment to Scotland that guy is.
I see the Defence Minister also refused to answer the question put to him regarding low paid rUK soldiers.


Foot in mouth politics.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/armypayscales.php#.W1GysBbTWaM

Doon that’s the UK Army Pay scales

Can you highlight where it says that Army soldiers get paid differently in Scotland and remember the military is more than the Army
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No, as your link is a dud.:lol:

The tax structure in Scotland is different from rUK…..soldiers get paid the same but the majority of Scots based soldiers pay less tax on their pay, a few rich ones don't.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
No, as your link is a dud.:lol:

The tax structure in Scotland is different from rUK…..soldiers get paid the same but the majority of Scots based soldiers pay less tax on their pay, a few rich ones don't.
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I have spoken to a number of people who are still serving all over the world and they all pay the same amount of tax so I’m not sure you claim is correct

All military pay comes from the same place and the tax code only changes in regards being married - not where they are based

Scotland don’t pay the wages of the Military based in Scotland so why would they get the taxes
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I have spoken to a number of people who are still serving all over the world and they all pay the same amount of tax so I’m not sure you claim is correct

All military pay comes from the same place and the tax code only changes in regards being married - not where they are based

Scotland don’t pay the wages of the Military based in Scotland so why would they get the taxes
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Why would the Defence Secretary make the announcement if the 8,000 weren’t paying more tax in Scotland! :confused:

Doon is making it political, you know just as well as me, the MOD are looking after the service personnel and doon is on the wind up!

Any personnel whose main residence is in Scotland is classed as a Scottish Taxpayer, this is now the only Country in the world were our Service personnel come under different tax status.
 
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pauldj42 said:
Why would the Defence Secretary make the announcement if the 8,000 weren’t paying more tax in Scotland! :confused:

Doon is making it political, you know just as well as me, the MOD are looking after the service personnel and doon is on the wind up!

Any personnel whose main residence is in Scotland is classed as a Scottish Taxpayer, this is now the only Country in the world were our Service personnel come under different tax status.
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Seems to me [and others] that the MOD are only looking after their well paid personnel.
The squaddies are getting a raw deal. [as has always been the case].
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Seems to me [and others] that the MOD are only looking after their well paid personnel.
The squaddies are getting a raw deal. [as has always been the case].
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I’ll try one last time, can you please show which squaddies are getting a raw deal.
It’s actually the opposite for the lowest Pte’s as they actually better off under the SIRT.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The British ones who are paying 20% tax on their basic pay.
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So it’s the Pte’s outside of Scotland you care about, but not the servicemen the SNP caused the hardship to in Scotland, the ones that were sorted out by the MOD, the same MOD which could of deducted the Pte’s salary in Scotland to bring them in line with those outside of Scotland, but instead allowed them to keep the benefit of the tax changes. :confused:
 
Dibby said:
Where does the 70% figure come from?

The only mention of 70% in the article is in the following quote from a Scottish finance scretary.

"As a result of the Scottish government's progressive tax system 70% of people in Scotland are paying less tax this year than they did last year for a given income and we hope those who have seen their tax bills reduce will not be disadvantaged by the UK government's proposals."

The only mention of people affected by the MOD is the line:

"The MoD says about 8,000 military personnel have been affected"

Like I said in my other post, I'm all for holding people to account, but you have to do it with facts. You cannot just assume things or make up numbers with no basis, or you lose all credibility.
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pauldj42 said:
He doesn’t do fact, just spin and guesswork!
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Er..... Try reading the 1st paragraph after the picture of Gavin Williamson! Shock Horror! Doon was correct and the naysayers are wrong/blind!

I also (strongly) believe that it's Scottish military personnel (those permanently living in Scotland as opposed those temporarily based there) who the article is talking about!

And, as there's no mention of taking more from the 'lower' ranks, I don't believe there will be any clawback from them! So, to restore normality,.... Doon's claim that 'The UK army will now take additional money from the poorest paid soldiers to help officers earning over £33k' is almost certainly twaddle!

DofD is merely allowing Scottish squaddies the reduced tax in Scotland and 'compensating' those affected by any increased tax. This is probably a pretty similar to what other organisations would be considering!
 
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Foxholer said:
Er..... Try reading the 1st paragraph after the picture of Gavin Williamson! Shock Horror! Doon was correct and the naysayers are wrong/blind!

I also (strongly) believe that it's Scottish military personnel (those permanently living in Scotland as opposed those temporarily based there) who the article is talking about!

And, as there's no mention of taking more from the 'lower' ranks, I don't believe there will be any clawback from them! So, to restore normality,.... Doon's claim that 'The UK army will now take additional money from the poorest paid soldiers to help officers earning over £33k' is almost certainly twaddle!

DofD is merely allowing Scottish squaddies the reduced tax in Scotland and 'compensating' those affected by any increased tax. This is probably a pretty similar to what other organisations would be considering!
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You are right about the 70%, that's why I asked, I am guilty of your charge of being blind.

Linking this back to the payscales posted by Doon, I think the tipping point for paying more tax is around £26k, so this would be higher grade privates and upwards, so hardly only the top brass getting the payment. Which would make more sense with the 70% figure.

I think those impacted would be those whose unit is permantly based in Scotland and those who live off base.
 
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