Army Pay in Scotland Shocker

Dibby said:
The article forgot to mention that too.

Assuming the BBC are not misrepresenting anything, and assuming my reading comprehension is not failing me, I read it as the people who would lose out on the new system will be topped up, but those who would gain won't be punished.

So actually the lower paid soldiers based anywhere but Scotland are worse off, and the headline should be "UK to transfer £4m to Scottish treasury" as the MOD is paying the additional tax higher paid soldiers would incur, so their take-home remains as it was before the tax changes and as it is in the rest of the UK.
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No doubt this is true, another fine example of the Tories helping those that don't need it, while treating the poorest off as ***** on their shoes.
 
I wonder when it changed to having to pay the income tax in the country you are based as oppposed to the uk rate

When I was based in Cyprus I didn’t pay Cyrpus tax on my wages - paid the uk income tax , when I was in Scotland it was UK tax and the same when in the sandy places

The military ( just for Doons benefit there are three branches of the military not just the Army ) were paid by the UK and paid the taxes to the UK not the country they are based in

What we did get was extra money if the exchange rate meant the living was more expensive
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I wonder when it changed to having to pay the income tax in the country you are based as oppposed to the uk rate

When I was based in Cyprus I didn’t pay Cyrpus tax on my wages - paid the uk income tax , when I was in Scotland it was UK tax and the same when in the sandy places

The military ( just for Doons benefit there are three branches of the military not just the Army ) were paid by the UK and paid the taxes to the UK not the country they are based in

What we did get was extra money if the exchange rate meant the living was more expensive
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This is actually an interesting additional complication. If a units permanent base is in Scotland, but they are posted overseas, do they still pay the higher Scottish rate of tax, because that is their permanent UK residence, or do they drop to the rest of the UK's tax system?

To me, this looks like it has the potential for becoming as much a nightmare as the US tax system which I have the misfortune of having to deal with.
 
Could be easily sorted by introducing a “local overseas allowance” for Scotland the same as the amount of tax they are losing.

It really is a non story
 
Dibby said:
The article forgot to mention that too.

Assuming the BBC are not misrepresenting anything, and assuming my reading comprehension is not failing me, I read it as the people who would lose out on the new system will be topped up, but those who would gain won't be punished.

So actually the lower paid soldiers based anywhere but Scotland are worse off, and the headline should be "UK to transfer £4m to Scottish treasury" as the MOD is paying the additional tax higher paid soldiers would incur, so their take-home remains as it was before the tax changes and as it is in the rest of the UK.
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Did you read the last paragraph from the link..... from 'dissapointed'
I did not take that conclusion from it but it would be great if it were true.

Methinks the facts of the matter is that the MOD minister may have misspoken when not being fully aware of his facts.

Interesting to see that the MOD did not reply to the SG's offer of talks. Bad manners of incompetence ?

...and just for clarity 70% of people living in Scotland are now better off due to the new tax changes.
Remember that next time you see a headline in the Times/Daily Mail/Express or BBC of Scotland being the highest taxed part of the UK. They never say that it is also the lowest taxed.:confused:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Did you read the last paragraph from the link..... from 'dissapointed'
I did not take that conclusion from it but it would be great if it were true.

Methinks the facts of the matter is that the MOD minister may have misspoken when not being fully aware of his facts.

Interesting to see that the MOD did not reply to the SG's offer of talks. Bad manners of incompetence ?

...and just for clarity 70% of people living in Scotland are now better off due to the new tax changes.
Remember that next time you see a headline in the Times/Daily Mail/Express or BBC of Scotland being the highest taxed part of the UK. They never say that it is also the lowest taxed.:confused:
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You mean "That's why we have taken this urgent action to ensure that our troops are treated equally and fairly."

Given that every news source I have seen talks of compensation payments, but none of deductions, I take it as a figure of speech, not literally. There is absolutely no mention of reducing the pay of lower ranks\pay grades, and you can be sure if there was some media would be all over it, as it could be used to absolutely tar the government. Unless reduction in pay for some soldiers is officially confirmed it's literally your assumption, or what some might call "fake news".

Hard to know what happened regarding the talks, so can't comment on that.
 
Dibby said:
You mean "That's why we have taken this urgent action to ensure that our troops are treated equally and fairly."

Given that every news source I have seen talks of compensation payments, but none of deductions, I take it as a figure of speech, not literally. There is absolutely no mention of reducing the pay of lower ranks\pay grades, and you can be sure if there was some media would be all over it, as it could be used to absolutely tar the government. Unless reduction in pay for some soldiers is officially confirmed it's literally your assumption, or what some might call "fake news".

Hard to know what happened regarding the talks, so can't comment on that.
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On the face of it a great argument, except it would tar the WM govt, so there's no chance of that happening *in Scotland*
 
Bunkermagnet said:
That damned Conservative SNP government.
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You're not following eh? Tory govt "mitigating" Army tax increase, however if DFT is right, then the lowest paid would have to pay more tax because of same "mitigation", hence there'd be no chance at all of the Beeb or Scottish media reporting that, it's always #SNPBAD. But if you lived here you'd know that. Ignorance is bliss eh.
 
HughJars said:
You're not following eh? Tory govt "mitigating" Army tax increase, however if DFT is right, then the lowest paid would have to pay more tax because of same "mitigation", hence there'd be no chance at all of the Beeb or Scottish media reporting that, it's always #SNPBAD. But if you lived here you'd know that. Ignorance is bliss eh.
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But if the lower paid are taxed less in Sotland, then to keep the same take home as military personnel in the rest of the UK, they have to be taxed more? All the government are trying to do is achieve parity in take home pay across the UK as a whole.
 
murphthemog said:
But if the lower paid are taxed less in Sotland, then to keep the same take home as military personnel in the rest of the UK, they have to be taxed more? All the government are trying to do is achieve parity in take home pay across the UK as a whole.
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Ehhh... taxed less surely.:confused:


Funny how the military top brass are selling this as a 'naebody wants to serve in Scotland issue' when it only involves officers earning more than £33k
Smacks of looking after their own types

All others would be better off/no change.

Can't be that many of then compared with ranks lower than say Staff Sargent level.
 
murphthemog said:
But if the lower paid are taxed less in Sotland, then to keep the same take home as military personnel in the rest of the UK, they have to be taxed more? All the government are trying to do is achieve parity in take home pay across the UK as a whole.
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And that's what DFT is saying, so the majority would then be paying more tax. Dibby says the press would be all over that to rubbish the govt, having it seems, no grasp whatsoever of how the press work in Scotland. There is zero chance of the Scottish govt being made to look like the good guy in this, hence the initial story, which if true, and creating parity across the UK, will mean the majority paying more tax - ie, the lowest paid.
 
Thinking about it, if you want to be cynical, the real trick is that potentially Westminster purposely ignored Holyrood when requested to consult on this as a political move.

Now it is announced, the conservatives denounce the "bad guys" of the SNP for taxing the heroes of the military, and then take credit for "doing the right thing" and fixing it. The average voter would probably see it that way.
 
HughJars said:
And that's what DFT is saying, so the majority would then be paying more tax. Dibby says the press would be all over that to rubbish the govt, having it seems, no grasp whatsoever of how the press work in Scotland. There is zero chance of the Scottish govt being made to look like the good guy in this, hence the initial story, which if true, and creating parity across the UK, will mean the majority paying more tax - ie, the lowest paid.
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Except the "if true" part is a huge qualifier. Why are we working on the assumption that the majority of military personnel in Scotland will have a pay cut when absolutely no news source has reported that?
If that was true, I would agree with you guys, but it's just pure conjecture on your part.

Don't you think it odd that not one news source has mentioned cuts to those who would pay less tax? Not every news source in the world is anti-SNP and pro-Westminster, someone would have picked it up if it was happening.

I'm not particularly a supporter of the current government, but you can't attack them based on pure assumption that something has happened despite no factual evidence of it happening. To do so just weakens your case when you actually have real grievances against them.
 
Dibby said:
Thinking about it, if you want to be cynical, the real trick is that potentially Westminster purposely ignored Holyrood when requested to consult on this as a political move.

Now it is announced, the conservatives denounce the "bad guys" of the SNP for taxing the heroes of the military, and then take credit for "doing the right thing" and fixing it. The average voter would probably see it that way.
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This is exactly why it was done, particularly as we are talking buttons, and they know their cheerleaders will spout the party line for them.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Ehhh... taxed less surely.:confused:


Funny how the military top brass are selling this as a 'naebody wants to serve in Scotland issue' when it only involves officers earning more than £33k
Smacks of looking after their own types

All others would be better off/no change.

Can't be that many of then compared with ranks lower than say Staff Sargent level.
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2nd LT starting wage £31k, 2 pay bands for other ranks, lower and higher pay band.

Try researching facts before you tell us what you believe.

As for soldiers serving in Scotland, they have no choice, you go were you are posted.

2 Light Infantry Regiments a few years back, one Regiment recruits primarliy from the South and South West of England, the other from the North East and Scotland.

One Regt went to Edinburgh, the other to Bulford, both for 3 years, have a guess which Regt they sent were!
 
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