Are you proud?

[Crazyface]

To be a united fan this morning and to have that cheating, lazy overpaid person on your team? Well are you? Can you defend him? No? I should hope not!!!!!!

How anyone can watch this type of football anymore is beyond me. It's about time the video replay was brought in to see these cheats in action. how good would it have been to see lazyitis sent off for his despicable dive!

 

[Papas1982]

To be a united fan this morning and to have that cheating, lazy overpaid person on your team? Well are you? Can you defend him? No? I should hope not!!!!!!

How anyone can watch this type of football anymore is beyond me. It's about time the video replay was brought in to see these cheats in action. how good would it have been to see lazyitis sent off for his despicable dive!

Id imagine this'll be a shirt thread. Can't think of a team in the Orem that's not got a least one theatrical player in their squad!

 

[TheDiablo]

Give it a break pal. You could easily find examples of just about every top player of the last 10 years doing the same, and I'm struggling to think of a current player who would have done differently last night.

It was a dive. But the sooner we accept this as part of the game, as it is in other cultures, the better it would be for everyone. There are loads of examples where 'conning' the referee is accepted by us (appealing for a corner when you know it came off you last), so whats the difference with diving?

Not that I at all agree with concept of diving or any form of cheating, in my view the game is rapidly descending into a farce. However, we're long past a point of trying to reverse the trend, so its either accept it and move on, or find start watching One Born Every Minute with the Mrs. Thank God I found golf a few months ago!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I

 

[pbrown7582]

oh goody another ABU surfaces

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm an Everton fan and I am ashamed that Ross Barkley seems to be a diver. Unfortunately the role models out there all do it and so he is copying them. Last nights dive was made worse by the fact that the England captain felt he needed to cheat to beat the mighty PNE. How his game has fallen backwards.

 

[Tongo]

I'll give the rant an 8 out of 10 (and i like a good rant!) but, as was said by TheDiablo, this really is a horse having bolted scenario.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Give it a break pal. You could easily find examples of just about every top player of the last 10 years doing the same, and I'm struggling to think of a current player who would have done differently last night.

It was a dive. But the sooner we accept this as part of the game, as it is in other cultures, the better it would be for everyone. There are loads of examples where 'conning' the referee is accepted by us (appealing for a corner when you know it came off you last), so whats the difference with diving?

Not that I at all agree with concept of diving or any form of cheating, in my view the game is rapidly descending into a farce. However, we're long past a point of trying to reverse the trend, so its either accept it and move on, or find start watching One Born Every Minute with the Mrs. Thank God I found golf a few months ago!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I

Sorry but "accept this as part of the game" ?!?

No should never be accepted - it should be the total opposite - full condemnation - the managers should come out and critisize the players - retrospective bans

The england manager defending Rooney was shocking - he should be condemning the player on national telly - that was spineless

 

[TheDiablo]

Sorry but "accept this as part of the game" ?!?

No should never be accepted - it should be the total opposite - full condemnation - the managers should come out and critisize the players - retrospective bans

The england manager defending Rooney was shocking - he should be condemning the player on national telly - that was spineless

Apology accepted.

That should all have happened 10 years ago. But didn't. Like I said, we're now past the point of even trying to reverse the trend. What annoys me is that every time a top player dives, it becomes such a story that it's all we hear for days. Rooney, Suarez, Bale, Gerrard etc etc. Everyone does it. Everyone will continue to do it. We'll still be talking about it in 10 years unless we move on!

 

[Papas1982]

Sorry but "accept this as part of the game" ?!?

No should never be accepted - it should be the total opposite - full condemnation - the managers should come out and critisize the players - retrospective bans

The england manager defending Rooney was shocking - he should be condemning the player on national telly - that was spineless

Let's not use this as another example to berate hodgson.

Thisbseason there have been countless players from many clubs dive. I've not heard any of said clubs supporters condemn them in the way people want Rooney to be treated. At best fans say "it was a dive, all players do it". Players try to justify their own was condem others.

 

[G.U.R]

I think you'll find retrospective bans are only applicable to Chelsea players.

 

[MegaSteve]

I think you'll find retrospective bans are only applicable to Chelsea players.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me ...

 

[GB72]

Give it a break pal. You could easily find examples of just about every top player of the last 10 years doing the same, and I'm struggling to think of a current player who would have done differently last night.

It was a dive. But the sooner we accept this as part of the game, as it is in other cultures, the better it would be for everyone. There are loads of examples where 'conning' the referee is accepted by us (appealing for a corner when you know it came off you last), so whats the difference with diving?

Not that I at all agree with concept of diving or any form of cheating, in my view the game is rapidly descending into a farce. However, we're long past a point of trying to reverse the trend, so its either accept it and move on, or find start watching One Born Every Minute with the Mrs. Thank God I found golf a few months ago!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I

I think this is a fair point and a very sensible one. However much people hate diving it is now part of the game. There really is no commitment at club or governing body level to stop it and so it will continue. Hell, they even call the offence 'simulation' rather than cheating. Give it a few years and people will eventually be complementing players on their ability to earn a penalty (and nothing winds me up more than commentators using the phrase that a player 'earned a penalty') and their dives will be lauded on match of the day. The horse has well and truely bolted on this one and it may as well be accepted as a part of the game as much as being able to pass well or take a decent free kick.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apology accepted.

That should all have happened 10 years ago. But didn't. Like I said, we're now past the point of even trying to reverse the trend. What annoys me is that every time a top player dives, it becomes such a story that it's all we hear for days. Rooney, Suarez, Bale, Gerrard etc etc. Everyone does it. Everyone will continue to do it. We'll still be talking about it in 10 years unless we move on!

Yes it should have happened ten years ago but accepting it's part of the game isn't the way to go - that excuses them and gives them license to dive

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Let's not use this as another example to berate hodgson.

Thisbseason there have been countless players from many clubs dive. I've not heard any of said clubs supporters condemn them in the way people want Rooney to be treated. At best fans say "it was a dive, all players do it". Players try to justify their own was condem others.

It was a perfect example of the incompetence of him - thankfully Kilbane was able to tell him exactly what he should have been saying

Nothing would help the issue more than the national manager condeming the action on live telly

 

[Tongo]

It was a perfect example of the incompetence of him - thankfully Kilbane was able to tell him exactly what he should have been saying

Nothing would help the issue more than the national manager condeming the action on live telly

Am i the only one who thinks that, as current England manager, Woy shouldnt be indulging in such punditry issues as it leaves him in awkward situations such as these? Not quite a conflict of interest, but certainly an avoidable scenario.

 

[Paul_Stewart]

So let's have instant replay during all games and watch them all finish about 30 minutes later than they do now which will bugger up the BBC's videprinter.

Or more realistically, video analysis by the FA/Premier League after each round of matches and bans imposed for obvious cheating. Start at one game, then three, five and so on. The message will soon get through.

 

[pbrown7582]

I think you'll find retrospective bans are only applicable to Chelsea players.

Next they'll be a conspiracy.......

 

[Papas1982]

It was a perfect example of the incompetence of him - thankfully Kilbane was able to tell him exactly what he should have been saying

Nothing would help the issue more than the national manager condeming the action on live telly

so a manager defendig his star is incompetence? Guess there's are a lot of incompetent managers plying their trade in the Prem.

as to it helping. The clubs and the international team have no interest in helping one another. If Hodgson said he wouldn't call up any player caught diving. Do you believe clubs would tell their players to stop diving? They actively encourage it!

 

[Kellfire]

Two different issues here...

1. Was it a penalty? Yes. Stone wall. No doubt whatsoever. Keeper completely misses the ball. He doesn't have to make any contact with Rooney for it to be a penalty.

2. Was it a dive? Yea, maybe. I thought dive on first viewing, and no penalty, but the reply confirmed penalty was the right decision. He still made a lot of it but until you can read minds, only he will know for sure just how much he embellished it.

 

[Fyldewhite]

We are good on rules on this forum so let's have a look at the actual rule here.........

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent ( so no actual contact required for it to be a foul)
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent ( so no actual contact required for it to be a foul)
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent (note - pushing is therefore allowed but mustn't be "excessive" etc)
• tackles an opponent (note this means even if you "get the ball" it's still a foul if the force is excessive etc - another pundits favourite saying which is wrong.)

Was the goalkeepers challenge reckless or using excessive force? Well it's hard to imagine more force than 13st or more of keeper sliding out of control straight across the path of the forward, so yes, I'd say it was excessive force and probably reckless.

So, no doubt for me, it was a penalty under the rules of the game. What Rooney did/didn't do is actually irrelevant. He wasn't conning the referee, he was simply making sure the referee noticed the foul which is a different thing entirely. The problem, if there is one is that had he stayed on his feet (the chance would have likely come to nothing) I doubt the ref would have given it. Rooney would effectively been penalised for getting out of the way of a reckless (and let's not forget dangerous if he hadn't been able to get out of the way) challenge.