Are we ALL Racist?

[Doon frae Troon]

What cracks me up is when my wife is driving and someone is faffing about or driving badly she always says 'what is that stupid old woman' up to.
On most occasions it is a middle aged man.

 

[MadAdey]

What cracks me up is when my wife is driving and someone is faffing about or driving badly she always says 'what is that stupid old woman' up to.
On most occasions it is a middle aged man.

Best post so far as it sort if backs up the point I am trying to make. Everyone to some degree discriminates, wether it something small like your wife or on a larger scale against a complete race. Do not take this post wrong please, as I'm not saying that your wife is to be thought of on the same scale as a paid up member of the KKK, but we can all be guilty of some sort of discrimination at some point. To say you are not is just a lie.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So how would you rate my wife's comment on a scale against Barton's on Question Time last night.

I would say that my wife's is more offensive.

 

[bladeplayer]

Emotive subject this , deal a good bit with it through the second job ,have been called a racist numerous times , not because i was actually being a racist but because it suited the individual to see this as the problem , not the fact they were drunk or abusive or out of line etc ,
The abuse of the "racist card " by some/ many has made things hard for those who are genuinely being discriminated against ..

 

[Rumpokid]

Not the best of subjects, but lots of good points.Anyone who has travelled to other continents, will know that racism exists there too, often dependant on skin colour or tone...Even Brazil where the World Cup is .
This seems to be a very emotive subject in the UK.However, i believe the UK is the most racially tolerant country in the world.
Furthermore, i will stick my neck out and say that i do not think anyone on this forum is racist...We just have the luxury of free speech.

 

[guest100718]

Seeing as you're discussing racists, has anyone mentioned Suarez yet.....?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes, my dad was proud to be called a Jock and even more proud to be called Poison Dwarfs by the German troops when they crossed the Rhine and freed the concentration camp prisoners.
He would also probably be pleased to be called a gay chap, but that was in 1944/45.

Unfortunately the name has changed over the years and many now see the American version of being called a Jock as a tough sportsman with little between his ears

Jock is still used very regulary in the military and used in a banter way and taken exactly how it's meant - I have never ever heard it being called a racist name until this forum. If using jock to describe a Scottish person is deemed racist behaviour then there are thousands or racists in the military including me - and you can include Taff and Paddy in that also.

 

[SocketRocket]

Some people like to be very selective with racism. People that would have a seizure if someone made a derogatory remark towards certain races think its OK to suggest that Americans are stupid and greedy. I have seen it on this forum and without challenge.

This country has it's problems but we are remarkable tolerant. Countries in Eastern Europe and the far east are incredibly raciest.

 

[Tashyboy]

Excellent topic mr hogan and well thought out responses from a lot of people without get personal as has happened in other topics when the mods have had to get involved and starting issuing yellow cards.

just got back from a 12 day cruise and the two main topics of conversations were UKIP and immigration. I lost count of the amount of times women were upset at being labelled rascist for relating to what UKIP stand for. Some of these people are as middle class as you can get, so why immigration and it's relation to being a rascist is an issue to them I cannot imagine.

one night I was in a quiz where one of your group had to run to the stage with false teeth, woman's tattoo, etc etc. they then asked for a man to wear a woman's bra. Missis tash and me mates pal was havin none of it. However a delightful lady on the next table lent me hers. Sadly if fit like a glove and me moobs filled it. The room erupted. As did the flippin theatre filled with 500 folk on the last day when it was shown on the DVD you could buy. I had loads of folk tell me I was a good sport for doing that. My simple response, "you have to learn to laugh at yourself before you can laugh at others". And that can be a very very fine line which changes from person to to person from day to day?

when I was a kid at school, I was a flat footed, big chinned spotty kid who went to Skool with a suitcase, chisel chin, flapper, wobble arse are some of the kinder names I grew up with and the biggest bully of them all was my wife's cousin, I did not know her at the time. The name calling really really got to me, and during one bout of verbal abuse a mate of mine ( Tim ). Said he only does it to you because he knows it upsets you. Laugh at him and he will go away. After five mins of laughing he soon got pissed off and never came back. I learned loads of lessons that day in the chemistry class.

Re racism, what I cannot understand is listening to my sons black mates calling one another the N word as a laugh but as a white Anglo Saxon he will get vilified and rightly so for saying the same word. Double standards I think it's called.It is something that is stated in an American college basketball film, but can I Eck has like remember it.

this is an excellent topic and hope it runs on for a bit and people read the posts and let them digest.

for the record me mate Tim has had 3 or 4 nervous breakdowns and it is gutting to see him in a mess at times he taught me one the most important lessons at school, it is one that has helped me enormously on the golf course, I laugh at my bad shots more than my partners.

 

[Dellboy]

Yes.

 

[woody69]

You never have such thoughts or you never solidify them in your thinking? I think you are perhaps very lucky if you NEVER have the thoughts. But I say 'perhaps' because if I never have such thoughts then how can I try and understand why others do - and act upon them.

I never have such thoughts. I never make a judgement of someone based on the colour of their skin, it's that simple.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Jock is still used very regulary in the military and used in a banter way and taken exactly how it's meant - I have never ever heard it being called a racist name until this forum. If using jock to describe a Scottish person is deemed racist behaviour then there are thousands or racists in the military including me - and you can include Taff and Paddy in that also.

Like a previous post I am uncomfortable with someone i do not know calling me Jock.
I would never dream of calling someone Taff, Mick or Paddy as I they are IMO words used by people who think they are 'not like us'.

I have a very brave friend called Taffy he is in the RAF and rescues people from helicopters.
Everyone knows him as Taffy and he is comfortable with the name.
I asked him when he was first called Taffy and he said it was when he joined up.

So to take the 'man from Liverpool's' excuse we must have many thousands of UK military men and women who are 'not like us' called Taff, Jock, Paddy and Mick

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Like a previous post I am uncomfortable with someone i do not know calling me Jock.
I would never dream of calling someone Taff, Mick or Paddy as I they are IMO words used by people who think they are 'not like us'.

I have a very brave friend called Taffy he is in the RAF and rescues people from helicopters.
Everyone knows him as Taffy and he is comfortable with the name.
I asked him when he was first called Taffy and he said it was when he joined up.

So to take the 'man from Liverpool's' excuse we must have many thousands of UK military men and women who are 'not like us' called Taff, Jock, Paddy and Mick

Sorry im guessing you have made a point in there somewhere ?

yes there are thousands in the armed services with those nicknames. Are people racist for using the term ?

When someone calls you Jock who you dont know - do you think someone is being "racist" to you or possibly are just a bit offended because he is being too familiar with someone he doesnt know and you might find it "insulting" - do you beleive than anyone calling someone Jock etc is being a "racist"

 

[bladeplayer]

Sorry im guessing you have made a point in there somewhere ?

yes there are thousands in the armed services with those nicknames. Are people racist for using the term ?

When someone calls you Jock who you dont know - do you think someone is being "racist" to you or possibly are just a bit offended because he is being too familiar with someone he doesnt know and you might find it "insulting" - do you beleive than anyone calling someone Jock etc is being a "racist"

i can see where you might be put out being called that by someone you dont know , maybe not racist in the extreme but id look strangely if a stranger called me Paddy , where ive no problem with someone i know saying it .. whats the difference ? i dont realy know .. familiarity maybe..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

i can see where you might be put out being called that by someone you dont know , maybe not racist in the extreme but id look strangely if a stranger called me Paddy , where ive no problem with someone i know saying it .. whats the difference ? i dont realy know .. familiarity maybe..

Fully understand that and can see why you would be a be put out if a stranger called you Paddy - but if they did would you think they were being racist towards you ? or just being over familiar without ensuring you dont mind being called a Paddy etc ?

 

[bladeplayer]

Fully understand that and can see why you would be a be put out if a stranger called you Paddy - but if they did would you think they were being racist towards you ? or just being over familiar without ensuring you dont mind being called a Paddy etc ?

yea personally id be in the over familiar camp Phil , but some would be in the Racist .. i guess the context it was said in would have big bearing on it .. Ive spent years doing doors so impretty thick skinned mate takes alot to push my buttons now ..

 

[Hobbit]

Mmm, I'd like to think I'm not racist but there is the odd occasion when someone's response back at me suggests they are. Sadly, my first thought, note thought, is "typical xxxxx with a chip on their shoulder." Now, I could have a first thought of, "maybe its because they've suffered..." However, thankfully that doesn't change how I behave towards them other be a little wary of their prickly attitude.

I don't see race or colour, I deal in personality. As far I'm concerned I try and live by the old adage of "a stranger is a friend you haven't yet met."

 

[bladeplayer]

Mmm, I'd like to think I'm not racist but there is the odd occasion when someone's response back at me suggests they are. Sadly, my first thought, note thought, is "typical xxxxx with a chip on their shoulder." Now, I could have a first thought of, "maybe its because they've suffered..." However, thankfully that doesn't change how I behave towards them other be a little wary of their prickly attitude.

I don't see race or colour, I deal in personality. As far I'm concerned I try and live by the old adage of "a stranger is a friend you haven't yet met."

Strange thing about it , if a certain race or colour does something bad their race and colour can be attributed to it .. if they do a good deed its not ..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

yea personally id be in the over familiar camp Phil , but some would be in the Racist .. i guess the context it was said in would have big bearing on it .. Ive spent years doing doors so impretty thick skinned mate takes alot to push my buttons now ..

Yes obviously if people are using it towards someone in a derogatory manner then would certainly see it as insulting but again im really not sure about it being racist - if someone called me an English "bleep bleep" i would call that insulting - if someone insulting me because of the colour of my skin then that would be racist.

Believe true racism is being derogatory towards someone based upon their colour and race - does that include the country they were born in ? Im not sure myself

 

[c1973]

Call me Jock all ye want, doesn't phase me at all.

Call me an effing Jock bassa and I'll be giving your dentist some business.

See the difference there?

Honestly, I can't understand why anyone could be offended by that word alone. Or, is it the case that they are the sort of individuals that actively look for issues to get worked up about? Some people must struggle to cross their threshold in the morning without being offended.

It's not the words that are offensive, it is the way they are used, surely.