Anna Rawson

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Come on. Do we have such a bias towards PC that we can no longer post, publish or look at a picture of a beautiful young woman without guilt or recrimination? Please don't tell me this is demeaning to women. It just simply isn't. Lots of men, Beckham included, have traded on their looks for years. Good looking people, mainly women it should be said, use their looks to their advantage every single day. This is a fine example, or was the man holding a gun to Ms. Rawson's head airbrushed out? This kind of thing has gone on since the birth of the human race and will go on until we die. It's a fact of life. Alternatively, we could go back to Victorian principles. Cover up that piano leg. Guess what, I saw an ankle today! Phoar!

It's not political correctness - it's about respecting the sensibilities and sensitivities of others whenever you can. I'm not pointing a finger at AR - I'm suggesting that any golf equipment manufacturer or golf publication that thinks it OK to sell their products using such imagary is really being rather disrespectful to the women's game.

AR can undress as much as she wants and post pictures of herself on her website, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc and that is fine by me - and if she makes money great. But I have to go there to find them. I note that the picture in question is actually on Instagram and I don't know who The Foozler is or what mag or whatever he/she writes for. But my general point remains and it is simply one of respecting the game of golf and specifically respecting women's golf and women players of all abilities (which in general many blokes don't - but that's another thread)

btw - I don't think The Beckham Principle - whilst absolutely valid in it's own multiple contexts - applies here in the context of a female golfer and women's golf.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I respect womens golf,but I also like looking attractive female golfers in minimal clothing

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I respect womens golf,but I also like looking attractive female golfers in minimal clothing

true - however (s)he who sups with the devil should have a long spoon

 

[FairwayDodger]

It's disingenuous to keep bringing up Beckham to say the same happens for men. The way men and women are perceived and treated is very different.

 

[Pin-seeker]

It's disingenuous to keep bringing up Beckham to say the same happens for men. The way men and women are perceived and treated is very different.

Yes,women get it much easier IMO

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yes,women get it much easier IMO

If you're serious (which I doubt).... try following @everydaysexism

 

[Tiger]

It's disingenuous to keep bringing up Beckham to say the same happens for men. The way men and women are perceived and treated is very different.

Karen you've made your point very well but I worry that once again your forehead and that brick wall are becoming far too acquainted

 

[Pin-seeker]

If you're serious (which I doubt).... try following @everydaysexism

Im deadly serious,just don't think men bang on about sexism as much.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Im deadly serious,just don't think men bang on about sexism as much.

Because you very very very very very rarely (if ever) experience it?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Because you very very very very very rarely (if ever) experience it?

Or maybe I just don't go looking for it

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Not getting involved with the whole "guys recieve sexism" argument, because I think it's not going to go anywhere, but FD, I wondered if you might answer me a question? Only because I would love to hear your point of view, as I somewhat lack anyone to discuss this reasonably with, who isn't in a similar position to myself, and therefore has similar views to myself.

My theory is that sexism is partly still prevalent is the number of women who play up to the stereotype, thereby reinforcing the mens previously held sexism. This is coming from a social, and a professional environment, where by I have seen a whole range of women play up to the "blond"/helpless role, looking for help, in areas I know full well they are capable of completing themselves.

Is this something that you would agree with, or dispute? Trying to look at this with an open mind, hence why I would love the feedback!

 

[FairwayDodger]

Or maybe I just don't go looking for it

Like white people don't go looking for racism?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Not getting involved with the whole "guys recieve sexism" argument, because I think it's not going to go anywhere, but FD, I wondered if you might answer me a question? Only because I would love to hear your point of view, as I somewhat lack anyone to discuss this reasonably with, who isn't in a similar position to myself, and therefore has similar views to myself.

My theory is that sexism is partly still prevalent is the number of women who play up to the stereotype, thereby reinforcing the mens previously held sexism. This is coming from a social, and a professional environment, where by I have seen a whole range of women play up to the "blond"/helpless role, looking for help, in areas I know full well they are capable of completing themselves.

Is this something that you would agree with, or dispute? Trying to look at this with an open mind, hence why I would love the feedback!

I don't know any women like that. You sure they were playing up to it or just happened to be blonde and need help?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Interesting reply FD.

.......now where is the popcorn.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't know any women like that. You sure they were playing up to it or just happened to be blonde and need help?

Playing up to it like self-named Team Tottie 4ball at my place Actually they call themselves that from time-to-time very tongue in cheek, because they know (well three of the four do) fine well that they are far from it. They just do it as the club is rather short of female 'tottie' so they gamely fill the gap for us blokes and the other lady members whilst they search for younger lady members. All a bit of fun. And the ladies instigate it.

And yes - they are a ferociously competitive team - and look for no favours or advice from us mere blokes - sad creatures they tell us that we are.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I don't know any women like that. You sure they were playing up to it or just happened to be blonde and need help?

I wish I they weren't playing up to it, as these were women I did hold a lot of respect for previously. This is in tasks that if noone else is around, they have coped with fine, and just done it, but at these times, didn't really want to do it, so played on the "helpless" card. I'm hoping that it is something they will grow out of when they mature (although being 24/25 I hope this is soon!).

I fully appreciate that this isn't helped by many guys attitudes of wanting to be the "knight in shining armour" coming to a "distressed maidens" help, but I was just wondering if you had previous experiences of this yourself. As you haven't, I guess it's a null and void point.

 

[JustOne]

If women want to take their clothes off that's fine by me.

If they didn't want me to look at them they'd put a coat on!!!

 

[Tiger]

CH this is flirtation being used as an influencing technique to avoid doing something they don't want to do. Judging by your description the men in your office are falling for it. Those of you pouring scorn on FDs position discrimination and stereotyping exists, it's not nice (particularly when you are on the receiving end) and sadly it doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

CH this is flirtation being used as an influencing technique to avoid doing something they don't want to do. Judging by your description the men in your office are falling for it. Those of you pouring scorn on FDs position discrimination and stereotyping exists, it's not nice (particularly when you are on the receiving end) and sadly it doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon

Oh I can definitely accept that it's a flirtation technique, but in my head, I see it as a very negative one to use on their part, as it contriubutes to them not being taken as seriously in a business sense, which then leads to further claims of sexism.

I guess what I was trying to say in a roundabout kind of way is that while I completely accept that sexism does still exist, and I do deplore it, I would argue that it is in part due to the way some women play up to it, as much as it is men propagating historical sexist views.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I guess what I was trying to say in a roundabout kind of way is that while I completely accept that sexism does still exist, and I do deplore it, I would argue that it is in part due to the way some women play up to it, as much as it is men propagating historical sexist views.

And we're back to where I jumped in on this thread.... yes sexism exists but it's women's fault (apparently).