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so we took Ozil/Laca etc to russia and brought them on when the game was won, now at 0-0 we keep them sat on the bench. I really must be missing something

Get in Wellbeck

Yep, was kinda hoping it wasn't Welbz on the end of that, but it was, and fairplay to him, he stuck it away.
 

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we have a lead he the best man to have on defend from the

Decent win, they dont lose many at home at all Sporting. Good to keep the winning run going

Ramsey sadly a negative again for me tonight, not being picked in the big games and not really putting in a shift when selected, that situation really shouldve been sorted by now and needs doing sooner rather than later! Based on prior evidence expect he leaves either in Jan for peanuts or for nothing in the summer :(
 

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Why would you expect Celtic to be able to "seriously compete" with one of the top teams in the Bundesliga given the relative strengths of the two domestic leagues?

I didn't say expect, I said hope. It's not too long ago that Celtic beat Barcelona in the CL at home and were undefeated home and away against Man C a few seasons back in the CL. The relative strengths of the leagues hasn't changed much during that period and Celtic were competing a good bit better just a few years back. The current side are far poorer than the fans would expect.
 
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I didn't say expect, I said hope. It's not too long ago that Celtic beat Barcelona in the CL at home and were undefeated home and away against Man C a few seasons back in the CL. The relative strengths of the leagues hasn't changed much during that period and Celtic were competing a good bit better just a few years back. The current side are far poorer than the fans would expect.

It all starts with the manager and Rodgers poor european record continues into its 5th season.
 
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I didn't say expect, I said hope. It's not too long ago that Celtic beat Barcelona in the CL at home and were undefeated home and away against Man C a few seasons back in the CL. The relative strengths of the leagues hasn't changed much during that period and Celtic were competing a good bit better just a few years back. The current side are far poorer than the fans would expect.

But aren't the resources open to RB Leipzig now much greater than those of Celtic.

It is not just English Premier League clubs that now have much greater financial strength.

Sad state of affairs as the Celtic side of 1967 remains one of my all time favourites.
 

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But aren't the resources open to RB Leipzig now much greater than those of Celtic.

It is not just English Premier League clubs that now have much greater financial strength.

Sad state of affairs as the Celtic side of 1967 remains one of my all time favourites.

Celtic got £30m in cash from UEFA re. the European campaign from last season, not including gate money, hospitality etc., the most money they've ever made from a European campaign. And the side is significantly weaker this season than last.

Having said that, Celtic's away European record has been truly awful for some years. Saw earlier that they have won 1 of their last 27 away matches in Europe (not including qualifying rounds), that is truly woeful and goes back a lot further than this season, Rodgers etc. And it's not the losing that's the issue, it's the lack of ability to compete, tonight for example, and the manner of the goals lost. The Celtic defence would be dropped for a School's Under 16 match at the weekend based on tonight's performance. A simple cross ball following a throw-in, 2 Celtic players completely miss the ball and leave an opponent a free shot at lashing the ball in the back of the net. That's not about a lack of resources IMHO.
 
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You can't pin only 1 win out of the last 27 (not including qualifying rounds) on Rodgers, goes back way further and runs much deeper than that.

Since Rodgers has been at Celtic, I think you can. Rodgers' record in europe speaks for itself. Some of the dross Celtic have struggled against is embarrassing and the manager has to shoulder the blame imo.
 

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Since Rodgers has been at Celtic, I think you can. Rodgers' record in europe speaks for itself. Some of the dross Celtic have struggled against is embarrassing and the manager has to shoulder the blame imo.

You can't pin a run of poor results on a manager who wasn't there when the vast majority of those poor results took place.

I'm no great fan of Rodgers btw, he should have walked in the summer when his top striker was sold against his wishes on deadline day and not replaced. I also don't like how he dealt with Boyata. But from a Celtic point of view, there's not much point in making £40m from a European campaign if you follow that up by selling two of your best players and not replacing them.
 
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And it's not the losing that's the issue, it's the lack of ability to compete, tonight for example, and the manner of the goals lost. The Celtic defence would be dropped for a School's Under 16 match at the weekend based on tonight's performance. A simple cross ball following a throw-in, 2 Celtic players completely miss the ball and leave an opponent a free shot at lashing the ball in the back of the net. That's not about a lack of resources IMHO.

Greater resources generally means better players which, in turn, means fewer mistakes.

And, crazy though it sounds, £30 million is not big money these days.
 
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You can't pin a run of poor results on a manager who wasn't there when the vast majority of those poor results took place.

I'm no great fan of Rodgers btw, he should have walked in the summer when his top striker was sold against his wishes on deadline day and not replaced. I also don't like how he dealt with Boyata. But from a Celtic point of view, there's not much point in making £40m from a European campaign if you follow that up by selling two of your best players and not replacing them.

Since Rodgers has been at Celtic, I think you can. Rodgers' record in europe speaks for itself.

Rodgers is responsible for the results and performances in europe since he's been at celtic.

He had 2 poor european campaigns while he was at liverpool and its carried on at Celtic. I just don't think he's cut out for european football.
 

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Greater resources generally means better players which, in turn, means fewer mistakes.

And, crazy though it sounds, £30 million is not big money these days.

Plus gate money and selling 2 of their best players, they had £60m they could have spent in the summer and they only spent money on 1 player. They should have enough to compete with teams like RB Leipzig IMHO.
 
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