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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Senior Conservatives telling blatant and invented lies to the most senior political journalists of the main TV Broadcasters is much more dangerous than the Sun, Mirror or the Mail saying something. We expect it from the Sun, Mirror and Mail and contextualise it accordingly; but we believe the provenance of what we hear Kuenssberg and Peston reporting that they were told.

We might questions their interpretations from time to time or indeed regularly - but this was them reporting what they believed was fact told to them by sources that they both trusted. They both were told the same thing - and they both had no reason to not believe their Senior Conservative sources - and they were both told a lie. They were used by the Tory Party to provide a distraction from the Johnson photo story. What can Kuenssberg and Peston now believe when they are briefed by same or similar sources...

We can forgive Priti Patel for making things up and for Boris Johnson not having a clue as we do not really expect better...but this lie about Hancock's aid - it's round the world before the apologies could be made...too late. Labour supporter thugs.

BTW - Patel yesterday just invented some numbers on crime under a future Labour government, and of course Johnson couldn't explain why she did it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...hnson-Crime-General-Election-news-Priti-Patel
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ok - I'm not defending it. But my view is that its blatantly obvious these folk are at it and this should actually prevent folk from voting for them.

As I said, it's very easy to be in a bubble seeing loads of this stuff on social media and realising how blatant it is. But it could potentially do them some damage. I guess we won't really know until Friday.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
During a decade........... some of the youngsters actually grow up to pay tax...…some youngsters and adults even graduate to higher tax earners and....the biggest surprise of all is that some of the pensioners actually die.
I call this phenomenon The Circle of Life.
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Call it what you like, it's now out of kilter!

Maybe not in Scotland, but surely in England. In fact, the figure for the population size in Scotland still amazes me how low it is.
What is it? 4 to 5 million?
I trust you are able to conceive of the difference we are talking about South of where your Circle of Life is turning?
Ours is more of a Whirlpool ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So it’s migration that’s the issue funding to - NHS , Emergency services , schools etc

Don’t a good deal of migrants pay tax then ?

Is your constant finger pointing towards immigrants being the issue in regards the issues we face constitute “being in denial” about the issues caused by Tory cuts
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Stop being reactionary and read my post, let what I said sink in and then discuss the points I make. If facing up to the causes is finger pointing then I'm guilty but from where I'm sitting you seem to be doing a lot of that.
 
DRW said:
Blaming the banks in the USA, in the previous post is just plain wrong if you have any knowledge. That is what Brown did and King also pretended no one could have seen it coming. People do need to be more responsible rather than just blaming 'the nasty banks' when asking for credit. Takes two to tango IMHO.

Any government could have made those changes you mention in the last 60 odd years, that you talk about....but have they, nope. Will they, probably not, unless you wish for someone like Trump in power,

Heres a question, have you setup your own business, run it successfully, employed people ? If you have did you help to correct any of the wrongs you mention in any of your previous posts? You could have setup a lending business, tried to re-establish an industry business, donated all your money, paid more tax to HMRC as a donation and so on etc ? Tax is a legal obligation, hence why there is a law about it and currency is legalised, so they can tax you.

I can assure you it is tough out there, in the real world trying to make a living, running a business, red tape everywhere and loads of private enterprise go to the wall due to it.

As a summary, if labour get in with all of its new regulations & taxes, the small owned managed/medium sizes businesses will be destroyed. Large business will leave, the rich will leave and only managed what they need from the UK. Then goes your jobs, then goes your tax revenues and a nasty downward trend goes on. And whatever Brexit does as well. Call it project fear if you like but I was one of the ones thinking of voting labour before reading the manifesto fully, it is truly frightening from a business point of view. and I was a neutral before.
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don't speak such common sense Darren!
 
Doon frae Troon said:
During a decade........... some of the youngsters actually grow up to pay tax...…some youngsters and adults even graduate to higher tax earners and....the biggest surprise of all is that some of the pensioners actually die.
I call this phenomenon The Circle of Life.
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But your problem is its not a 'circle' as better health care keep older people and others with otherwise terminal illness alive longer: so not only do more people need care but the whole of society gets more /better/care often at higher costs per person because of the more complex processes. It is neither a Tory or Labour failure but a consequence of better medical knowledge and population demographics. But that truth does not suit the rumour mongers, or superficial media.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Call it what you like, it's now out of kilter!

Maybe not in Scotland, but surely in England. In fact, the figure for the population size in Scotland still amazes me how low it is.
What is it? 4 to 5 million?
I trust you are able to conceive of the difference we are talking about South of where your Circle of Life is turning?
Ours is more of a Whirlpool ?
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5.4 Million at the mo and rising quickly with all those English folk escaping.;)

My point was managing change, from what you are saying it sounds like the Tories have mismanaged it in your part of the UK.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
...and so what do the Brexit Party supporting electorate do when they do not have a Brexit Party candidate to vote for, and their hero Nigel is today again telling them that Johnson's deal is not Brexit, and that Johnson is basically lying when he says vote Tory to Get Brexit Done - because it won't be.

Oh I could LOL with Farage actually telling the truth about GBD - if it weren't so miserably depressing that these two charlatans have brought us to this mess.
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again, the same old vitriol assuming that the press is to blame, or lying politicians and nobody can make their own mind up or if they do they are wrong as they have been duped by charlatans!!!!!!! And that lies and spin only come from one side......
 
Two days to voting and I finally get my Tory leaflet through the door.
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING on it about their achievements or future plans.

Lots of SNP baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddddddd and waffling on and on about Indyref2.
For goodness sake, he is not even bright enough to know it is a Westminster election.:unsure:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
5.4 Million at the mo and rising quickly with all those English folk escaping.;)

My point was managing change, from what you are saying it sounds like the Tories have mismanaged it in your part of the UK.
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Perhaps the SNP could give the rUK advice on how they will bring their excessive borrowing of 9% back to acceptable norms recommended by the EU of 3% without rUK subsidises.
 
PNWokingham said:
don't speak such common sense Darren!
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With all due respect to those that post with knowledge or common sense... It's not you I want to be hearing it from... But from our prospective leaders... And, thus far, the absolute silence has been deafening from all sides...

Thankfully I have a couple of half decent independents on my ballot paper...
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
Two days to voting and I finally get my Tory leaflet through the door.
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING on it about their achievements or future plans.

Lots of SNP baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddddddd and waffling on and on about Indyref2.
For goodness sake, he is not even bright enough to know it is a Westminster election.:unsure:
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So, you'd not vote Tory if there were no other candidates but want to moan about their leaflet ?
 
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