2blue
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Just think what it could be like if it wasn't for the majority of the Media being on his side.
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SocketRocket
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The kings suit of clothes syndrome.
harpo_72
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List of governments
1951-1963 - Tory
1964-70 - Labour
1970-74 - Tory
1974-79 - Labour minority
1979-1996 - Tory (North south divide created, heavy manufacturing destroyed, services sold and stripped ...)
1997 -2010 - Labour (pretty painless until the bankers balls it up!)
2010 -2015 - Tory / liberal (might as well just been Tory with the way Clegg rolled over)
2015 - 2019 - Tory, although they caused some self harm
So simple generalisation and you can kick up a storm ... long periods of Tory destruction of the services, every year in power requires 2 years to rectify their lack of investment if we cannot take the tax hike. So we start with 12 years of Tory monetary policy, we get 6 years to rectify their spending, then we get another 4 years of damage and 5 years of a labour government with no power, so cannot address the issues. Then we get Thatcher (greed is good, bosh bosh, look at my wad ), utter fiscal disaster ensues at the latter part of her tenure when it all comes home to roost, manages to sell off shed loads of stuff as well, John Major steps in and brings a clueless chancellor .. pretty much disaster. Labour get in, they have 15 years of Tory damage to rectify, you would think, but no the Tories have ramped it up and doubled their collateral damage. Labour set about fixing it but over a long period of time .. then the banks start to be idiots and loan money to people who cannot afford it in the states and our banks want a bit of the action and force a recession in the UK .. Labour get's the blame,and enter Dave the car salesman and nothing happens apart from a really bad decision about a Brexit referendum and the country is completely divided.... add into the mix a left labour movement that is at the mercy of right wing press and a liberal democrat party that needs to shake off the Clegg legacy ... (oh yeah and they forgot to sort out the Banks properly regards the bail out money, sold them back at low cost .. great bit of business that was from the Party that is business orientated)
So in a nut shell that is why the NHS is poor, this why your lucky your enjoying retirement compared to those of us who won't be retiring in 20 years time and that is why it's 20-30years of damage.
ColchesterFC
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Apologies as when I clicked on it it was available for free and I don;t subscribe. But I can see it's behind a pay wall now. Basically it was saying that Boris is more interested in gaining power and not very good at what he will do once he has it. And that will lead to problems just mounting up when he can't do what he claims. And there was some stuff about any trade deal he is likely to get if he wants it all done by the end of next year not being good for our economy, but then again we all know that the only threat to our economy is Jeremy Corbyn so no need to worry about the FT saying otherwise.But they said it in a much more intelligent way than I did.
There's not a lot there that I can disagree with. Especially the last sentence.
I was hoping that Boris might be clever enough to realise his limitations and get people in around him that could do the hard yards for him. Let Boris be the figurehead and outsource the actual work to others. Unfortunately from what I've seen so far that's not going to happen.
Grant85
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It is what it is.
I wouldn't say it is any more or less dangerous than when the Sun was at it's peak and could influence millions with tabloid splashes and election day front pages.
Nowadays there is a lot more information and people can curate their own feed to suit their own ideology. One of the reasons Boris can now say no to the BBC and ITV flagship political programmes is that he can put out his own videos and have a presence. And they can also clip parts of other appearances and debates to multiply their effect, weeks after they have happened, so it doesn't appear that 'he's gone to ground' and is avoiding scrutiny to those sympathetic to him.
Whether it will work is another story, although it seems to be at the moment.
10 years ago the only way to get video into people's homes was via the TV and so if you didn't do any interviews for a few days, it looked like you'd disappeared. All politicians were desperate for TV appearances and this gave the likes of Paxman, Humphries, Eddie Mayor and now Andrew Neill a bit of a career in being tough interviewers.
Interviewers have made a career out of trying to skewer politicians, but it's a two way street. Politician's want to tell people about their policies and interviewers want to try and catch them out. If the politician is only getting caught out and he has plenty of other ways to tell about their policies, then there's not much in it for them.
Boris made a decision - do the Corbyn head to head debates... do a few other sit down interviews on ITV and BBC and some radio and pretty much dodge anything else other than a 90 second location clip. Put out loads of your own content and it won't actually look like your dodging too much as people will still see you every day.
Ultimately the vast majority of voters aren't engaged enough to notice and will only ever see a few seconds of election coverage every day.
Doon frae Troon
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suprised this wasn't mentioned esp after mister Right wing poster stuck it up like a shot last night, notice he's deleted it now though. But thats not my point, Kuensberg was on this like flies on yoiu know what show the type of journalist she is load a clear, back tracking now though
I posted #3425 at 6.45pm
The BJ fan club on here were all over it like a rash.....not
The 'I heard from the cousin of the friend of a nurse' story from Leeds Hospital knocks that into a hat though.
I am scunnered that 'normal' folk just accept this guff, shrug their shoulders and say nothing.
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Yes, just who is the senior Tory Robert
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Wolf
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Couldn't have been a worse day for them with such little time to go, factor in the quotes of other Tory politicians stating disabled people should be paid less and that people are only using food banks because they can't budget properly. It completely plays into the hands of Labour to help them swing the vote in their favour. Cant blame labour either if they use that against the Tories as its of their own making and Boris behaving like that in the interview is unbelievable as to how he thought that was ok behaviour but then his skin is thicker than a rhino hide so probably won't even realise how stupid he's been.
This election process has just shown how far the parties have gone down hill in the public estimation and until there are leadership changes and overhauls within the cabinet its only going to get worse.
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Do you honestly believe that section I have highlighted. You need to research it far better and not just believe what the government tell you.
We have been living in a massive worldwide credit boom since the 60s-70s(hence asset prices up to silly prices, stealing out earnings from the future to spend now, on credit) and no one is really stopping it, Labour or Tory. I saw the problems(along with a lot of other people, if you read the correct stuff, rather than the mainstream tosh) coming in the late 90s, by early 2000s there was major problems and we still have not solve the problem, just kicked it down the road by slashing/reducing interest rates. The day of reckoning will come, what will be done will be interesting bit.....
Funny how you have not mentioned the 70s era better as well and why Thatcher got in and the action that was taken against unions/wrokers. The workers( & unions) made their industries non-competitive, we are in a global system and if it was cheaper to produce/dig up stuff here, then it would still be going on. Never forget the power of market forces in a global system. People think they can control it but rarely does it last for long.
not you the guy who posts all the other Tory lies and twiiter crap, deleted pretty quickly by the look of itI posted #3425 at 6.45pm
The BJ fan club on here were all over it like a rash.....not
The 'I heard from the cousin of the friend of a nurse' story from Leeds Hospital knocks that into a hat though.
I am scunnered that 'normal' folk just accept this guff, shrug their shoulders and say nothing.
#sleepwalkingintodisaster.com
If Labour lose then I hope they lose badly, meaning that the leadership and front bench are gutted. A slight loss might mean a John McDonell gets in and we are in the same mess. Equally, perhaps a Conservative loss will bring Jeremy Hunt back in with a new team. He seems to be more a centrist Conservative, is certainly calmer and a better pair of hands than Boris, low bar obviously.
If nothing changes after the election then it will be deeply depressing.
Swinglowandslow
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Crime has been on the increase for years. It is more to do with society's attitude to it ( teaching children right from wrong and not "it's ok if you can get away with it),and how the authorities deal with the offenders, than how many officers are on the beat. The police leaders themselves are dancing to targeting tunes rather than prioritising correctly.
Detecting the crime ( the important crime, that is), will only reduce the incidence of crime if the follow up action is the right one. The judiciary needs a change of direction too.
I am not advocating that policing levels are ok, they do need increasing; but more needs to happen as well. Especially the abandonment of half baked theories and priorities.
Wolf
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Totally agree with you LT, often on here some seem to think im pro Tory because ive gone against labour policies. But truth is I'm far from it, i don't buy into Boris or the Tory party as whole including the pledges in the manifesto and they're to far right under the current cabinet, but equally i can't buy into Labours fairytale promises and the failures Corbyn has had as leader, along with McDonell amd momentum its all to far left for me.
The only hope is a Labour loss and compete change at the top to re balance them, likewise with the Tories they need the same to happen. It really is the most depressing GE i can remember. But i know my vote won't go to either of thise leading parties as I cannot buy into what either are effectively selling us.
trouble with that is another 5 years of Tory rule, where we will get more of the same we've had for the last 9 years
Wolf
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Therein lays the issue patrick and why ive said so many times its the worst GE ive known. Another 5 years of Tory based on what the last 10 years has been like would be awful, yet if Labour get in with their Manifesto I fear for the long term viability of the UK economy that level of borrowing cannot be sustained nor can it be done without affecting everyone not just the top 5%.
Thats why i won't vote for either of them as i don't think on balance at the moment either are the right parties to run our government and my vote will go elsewhere. But i do think come Friday it will still likely be Boris in No10 banging his get brexit done drum. Sad state of affairs overall imo.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Hunt is my MP. If there was any hope that the Tories might quickly dump Johnson in the aftermath of a Tory win - with him being so divisive - I might actually vote for him. He is for me so much more acceptable than ANY of the alternatives in the current cabinet. But as I see virtually no chance of that happening, or of a Labour win, then I won;t even consider it further - and will hope for a major upset in my constituency (though that too is very unlikely given Hunt's majority in 2017)
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Senior Conservatives telling blatant and invented lies to the most senior political journalists of the main TV Broadcasters is much more dangerous than the Sun, Mirror or the Mail saying something. We expect it from the Sun, Mirror and Mail and contextualise it accordingly; but we believe the provenance of what we hear Kuenssberg and Peston reporting that they were told.
We might questions their interpretations from time to time or indeed regularly - but this was them reporting what they believed was fact told to them by sources that they both trusted. They both were told the same thing - and they both had no reason to not believe their Senior Conservative sources - and they were both told a lie. They were used by the Tory Party to provide a distraction from the Johnson photo story. What can Kuenssberg and Peston now believe when they are briefed by same or similar sources...
We can forgive Priti Patel for making things up and for Boris Johnson not having a clue as we do not really expect better...but this lie about Hancock's aid - it's round the world before the apologies could be made...too late. Labour supporter thugs.
BTW - Patel yesterday just invented some numbers on crime under a future Labour government, and of course Johnson couldn't explain why she did it.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...hnson-Crime-General-Election-news-Priti-Patel
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spongebob59
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ColchesterFC
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The Tories needn't have bothered making stuff up to distract from the Boris story yesterday. They should have just waited a day for Labour to shoot themselves in the foot. Leaked recordings of the Shadow Health Minister making some not very complimentary comments about Corbyn on the day when he should've been front and centre running with the Boris/NHS story but now looks like he will be sidelined. I'm not sure that I believe his excuse that it was banter or joshing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50726592
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50726592
SwingsitlikeHogan
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...made worse as they preside over trying to sort out issues arising from leaving the EU without a deal - and they will blame the Remain supporters in much the same way as Javid was recently blaming Labour for current levels of homelessness.
great bit of deflection on the real issues, from another pro Tory... twitter account... nothing from Laura for you to post today?
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