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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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PNWokingham said:
you make some bizare and unfounded points. Nothing Chris has said is racist or in any to suggest a loyality to the EDL. Supporing Torries as a party that can better manage the economy than Labour is his view and one i agree with for various reasons to do with labour's willingness to spend what we do not have and the resulting implications of that policy, and the affinity for unions and what damage they can do when making unreasonable demands - both factors very evident in the 70s when unions destroyed our industrial base and we went cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout. Also, going with this is the ability to fund social services over time through this strategy of economic management - all of which i am in favour of but totally understand that many areas have been stretched too far with the cuts that were necessary due to a 10% budget defecit inhertited from Labour - could some of these policies have been relaxed over the past four or five years - definitely yes - but hopefully that strategy is now on the table from the very middle-of the road One Nation Tory manifesto. Supporting Conservative due to their economic policies is not being agaisnt social policies, it is a belief that they social agenda's will also be able to be managed better overall be being prudent with the purse strings
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But why trust the Tories with the economic when they’ve run our debt up to insane levels?

https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/

Notice that debt under Labour stays very similar until the global crisis which Labour couldn’t possibly have averted. In come the Tories and it’s grown massively.

You simply don’t have the facts to back up your beliefs - because you believe the media that feeds you the hate you desire.
 
PNWokingham said:
of course the budget defecit was caused by the financial crises - but i blame labour for the level of it as Gordon Brown was spending financed through borrowing during the boom naughties rather than being more restrained with the purse strings and running a budget, as per normal economic cycles of the type that were normal until 2008.

And yes - what is not "one nation" about the tory programme - increased borrowing for may areas of the economy, spending for investment at the expense of fiscal prudence, tax cuts aimed at lower incomes etc. Tell me where you think the current manifesto is driven by the tory right? This is a very middle market manifesto completely unlike Labour, that is so far to the left it is further west than Venezuela!
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Don’t bring Venezuela into it when you obviously have no idea what happened there - an American enforced change so that they could pillage their resources. That’s nothing to do with what Labour want to do and it’s so lazy when people think they’re an intellectual behemoth by name dropping Venezuela. Invariably we hear that a certain Austrian was a socialist, too...
 
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Kellfire said:
But why trust the Tories with the economic when they’ve run our debt up to insane levels?

https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/

Notice that debt under Labour stays very similar until the global crisis which Labour couldn’t possibly have averted. In come the Tories and it’s grown massively.

You simply don’t have the facts to back up your beliefs - because you believe the media that feeds you the hate you desire.
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you singularly fail to understand the issues - the torries inherited the huge mess of the aftermath of the buggest recession in a generation. Are you saying they were fiscally imprudent and should have cut spending more and a deeper austerity budget to balance the books quicker?
 
PNWokingham said:
you singularly fail to understand the issues - the torries inherited the huge mess of the aftermath of the buggest recession in a generation. Are you saying they were fiscally imprudent and should have cut spending more and a deeper austerity budget to balance the books quicker?
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I’m saying recent evidence shows that the Tories aren’t better at managing a budget than Labour.
Austerity is a busted flush which has driven division across the country but I guess you’re in favour because you have a very comfortable life.
 
Kellfire said:
Don’t bring Venezuela into it when you obviously have no idea what happened there - an American enforced change so that they could pillage their resources. That’s nothing to do with what Labour want to do and it’s so lazy when people think they’re a intellectual behemoth by name dropping Venezuela. Invariably we hear that a certain Austrian was a socialist, too...
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Again you show you have no clue - investors in Venezuela are owed billions and they cannot pay as they have wrecked the economy through a supposed socialist miracle that Jeremy Corbyn so advocated as a shining example for the world of what socialism can do. If you want to highlight social inequality on a level for beyond anything in the West go have a look for yourself (Maduro and the red cronies have stolen it all) - oh, and did you know that Venezuela have a tad more oil (and other mineral reserves) than anyone else - even Wee Jimmy Krankie could have made a success out of this!
 
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Kellfire said:
I’m saying recent evidence shows that the Tories aren’t better at managing a budget than Labour.
Austerity is a busted flush which has driven division across the country but I guess you’re in favour because you have a very comfortable life.
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i may have to repeat again. Labour took over a booming economy in 1997 - the tories took over a timebong. You are critising them for needing to borrow, which is what you do in the hard times - but you also knock them for implementing cuts - you have one or the other!
 
PNWokingham said:
i may have to repeat again. Labour took over a booming economy in 1997 - the tories took over a timebong. You are critising them for needing to borrow, which is what you do in the hard times - but you also knock them for implementing cuts - you have one or the other!
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You could raises taxes?
 
PNWokingham said:
Again you show you have no clue - we invest in Venezuela through work and like all creditors, we are owed a lot and they cannot pay as they have wrecked the economy through a supposed socialist miracle that Jeremy Corbyn so advocated as a shining example for the world of what socialism can do. If you want to highlight social inequality on a level for beyond anything in the West go have a look for yourself (Maduro and the red cronies have stolen it all) - oh, and did you know that Venezuela have a tad more oil (and other mineral reserves) than anyone else - even Wee Jimmy Krankie could have made a success out of this!
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So you’re doubling down on claiming that Venezuela is comparable to what a labour government would be? You’re so deluded and you buy into right wing propaganda at every turn. Research it. Look at how Venezuela got where it is because of a dictatorship and stop thinking socialism is a cause of evil.
 
Kellfire said:
So you’re doubling down on claiming that Venezuela is comparable to what a labour government would be? You’re so deluded and you buy into right wing propaganda at every turn. Research it. Look at how Venezuela got where it is because of a dictatorship and stop thinking socialism is a cause of evil.
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ah so Corbyn likes dictators as well
 
PNWokingham said:
Again you show you have no clue - we invest in Venezuela through work and like all creditors, we are owed a lot and they cannot pay as they have wrecked the economy through a supposed socialist miracle that Jeremy Corbyn so advocated as a shining example for the world of what socialism can do. If you want to highlight social inequality on a level for beyond anything in the West go have a look for yourself (Maduro and the red cronies have stolen it all) - oh, and did you know that Venezuela have a tad more oil (and other mineral reserves) than anyone else - even Wee Jimmy Krankie could have made a success out of this!
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I'm still struggling to see why middle aged and elderly English men of a certain political persuasion can't type the name of a powerful Scottish woman and have to resort to name calling based on someone who was popular 3 decades ago. Perhaps they struggle with the spelling?
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'm still struggling to see why middle aged and elderly English men of a certain political persuasion can't type the name of a powerful Scottish woman and have to resort to name calling based on someone who was popular 3 decades ago. Perhaps they struggle with the spelling?
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Possibly for the same reason that some middle aged and elderly English (and Scottish) men of a different political persuasion can't type the name of the current PM and have to resort to name calling. (y)
 
Hacker Khan said:
You could raises taxes?
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No No No. that would be terrible.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland have the highest rate of tax vs GDP in the world and they're terrible, terrible, places to live.
Why haven't all the rich people left them? Why haven't their economies been shunned as pariah states?
Beats me, maybe it's because they're the most civilised countries in the world to live?
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'm still struggling to see why middle aged and elderly English men of a certain political persuasion can't type the name of a powerful Scottish woman and have to resort to name calling based on someone who was popular 3 decades ago. Perhaps they struggle with the spelling?
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It could be that, deep down, they still think they are in primary six at school. :love:
Perhaps she was their first crush.
 
Kellfire said:
So you’re doubling down on claiming that Venezuela is comparable to what a labour government would be? You’re so deluded and you buy into right wing propaganda at every turn. Research it. Look at how Venezuela got where it is because of a dictatorship and stop thinking socialism is a cause of evil.
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Here are some more insights into Venezula and of the character of the man. Make your own mind up - he spports these ideals and policies and Labour have an agenda that is firmly in this direction


https://reaction.life/ten-times-corbynistas-praised-chavez-maduros-venezuela/

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/venezuela-crisis-maduro-corbyn-trump-us-sanctions-a8755906.html -


https://www.politico.eu/article/jer...a-nicolas-maduro-disgusting-says-mike-pompeo/

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comme...s-his-prejudice-over-the-middle-east-1.479753

https://www.ft.com/content/83424336-2a29-11e9-88a4-c32129756dd8
 
Doon frae Troon said:
It could be that, deep down, they still think they are in primary six at school. :love:
Perhaps she was their first crush.
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So what's your excuse when it comes to Boris then and struggling to type his name without an insult? I'm struggling to believe that he was your first crush when you were in primary six at school, but maybe I'm mistaken about that. :)
 
pendodave said:
No No No. that would be terrible.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland have the highest rate of tax vs GDP in the world and they're terrible, terrible, places to live.
Why haven't all the rich people left them? Why haven't their economies been shunned as pariah states?
Beats me, maybe it's because they're the most civilised countries in the world to live?
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there is a massive differnce between the tax issue and the agenda of Corbyn to nationalsie and steal private wealth
 
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