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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Today's posts have proved what we, as adults should all know.

Politics like religion is about belief and fundamentally subjective so people have disagreed for centuries. Often leading to wars.

If you can't allow others to hold different views it is best not to get into the discussion where everyone has to right to hold to their opinion if you're going to get uptight when that inevitability happens.
 
chrisd said:
How about an alternative view Paul

Boris gets a working majority and we leave the EU 31st January
We agree a Canada ++ deal inside a year
We sort out some tariff free deals to take up supply of expensive EU products
We run our own country
Labour get rid of Corbyn, McDonnell etc al, so become a proper opposition who could govern
Boris proves the naysayers wrong and runs the country well
Scotland tell Wee Krankie that they'd rather not leave the Union as it's doing very well
Trump loses his election

Alls well with the world
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That's wonderful Chris but what about the so obviously failing NHS? And the failing social care system?

I was reading an article a few days back about the wealth of various regions in the EU. The wealthiest region in the EU is the south east of England. The average salaries are eye watering, and the infrastructure and amenities are very good.

9 out of the 10 poorest regions in the EU are in the rest of the UK. The metrics for poorest were quite complex, looking at salaries, infrastructure and local amenities.

It made for shocking reading. There was no political bias in it. It was purely a fact based piece of research.

I do wonder if many people in the southeast really know what the rest of the country looks like? Lets be honest, when people travel for social reasons they visit York Minster, Durhan Cathedral or the Lake District.
 
harpo_72 said:
Down in Kent they are close to EDL.
They think that the immigration that they see, which are people jumping out of trucks will stop with Brexit. What they don’t understand is it will increase when the French stop using holding pens.
You know if that’s what people want let them have it ... and when the moaning starts just say that’s what you wanted. Looking forward to the beaches having the sewage pumped back out onto them as well ..
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Nice generalisation of an entire county there. Is that because you don't like one poster or assume everyone from the good old Garden of England is a Xenophobic far right brexiteer that doesn't understand politics and instead just doesn't like Corbyn....

I can assure you as a Man of Kent you couldn't be further from the truth. Yes our County has its fair share of those people as do many others all over the country. But equally there are far more intelligent people that can and will make decisions during this GE based on policy, manifesto and doing so in a balanced way.

I won't vote labour because i believe their manifesto is in no way affordable without tax issues for everyone not just high earners, I won't vote Tory because of issue I have with their manifesto and brexit at any cost attitude. I don't like the leader of either party for varying reasons but that does not affect my vote because its not the leader im voting for in the GE but the party i feel best suits my own views and that's exactly what many others in Kent will do to.

For the record Kent didnt even make it into the top 30 of places on record that voted to leave...

In fact there were 39 other locations above any kent constituency to vote leave and many far more north

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-36616028
 
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Hobbit said:
That's wonderful Chris but what about the so obviously failing NHS? And the failing social care system?

I was reading an article a few days back about the wealth of various regions in the EU. The wealthiest region in the EU is the south east of England. The average salaries are eye watering, and the infrastructure and amenities are very good.

9 out of the 10 poorest regions in the EU are in the rest of the UK. The metrics for poorest were quite complex, looking at salaries, infrastructure and local amenities.

It made for shocking reading. There was no political bias in it. It was purely a fact based piece of research.

I do wonder if many people in the southeast really know what the rest of the country looks like? Lets be honest, when people travel for social reasons they visit York Minster, Durhan Cathedral or the Lake District.
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I guess I could have added dozens of other wishes but I agree with your ones of course. I live in the South East and agree that wages are high but then also are the cost of housing, food, parking, rates, travel etc etc. I'm not able to compare other areas but certainly my house would be much cheaper in a lot of areas in the UK just to balance things up and this has an affect on mortgages, insurance, repairs etc etc too.

I'm fully in favour of making other less well off counties more affluent and certainly reducing the emphasis on London and the South East but while wages are higher here the cost of living is too
 
Wolf said:
Nice generalisation of an entire county there. Is that because you don't like one poster or assume everyone from the good old Garden of England is a Xenophobic far right brexiteer that doesn't understand politics and instead just doesn't like Corbyn....

I can assure you as a Man of Kent you couldn't be further from the truth. Yes our County has its fair share of those people as do many others all over the country. But equally there are far more intelligent people that can and will make decisions during this GE based on policy, manifesto and doing so in a balanced way.

I won't vote labour because i believe their manifesto is in no way affordable without tax issues for everyone not just high earners, I won't vote Tory because of issue I have with their manifesto and brexit at any cost attitude. I don't like the leader of either party for varying reasons but that does not affect my vote because its not the leader im voting for in the GE but the party i feel best suits my own views and that's exactly what many others in Kent will do to.

For the record Kent didnt even make it into the top of places on record that voted to leave...

In fact there were 39 other locations above any kent constituency to vote leave and many far more north

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-36616028
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Please Wolf let's not try and use real facts to convince Harpo, he obviously knows more about Kent than those who live here ?
 
Hobbit said:
That's wonderful Chris but what about the so obviously failing NHS? And the failing social care system?

I was reading an article a few days back about the wealth of various regions in the EU. The wealthiest region in the EU is the south east of England. The average salaries are eye watering, and the infrastructure and amenities are very good.

9 out of the 10 poorest regions in the EU are in the rest of the UK. The metrics for poorest were quite complex, looking at salaries, infrastructure and local amenities.

It made for shocking reading. There was no political bias in it. It was purely a fact based piece of research.

I do wonder if many people in the southeast really know what the rest of the country looks like? Lets be honest, when people travel for social reasons they visit York Minster, Durhan Cathedral or the Lake District.
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Is that really true about 9 out of the 10 poorest EU regions are in the UK? Even poorer than regions of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and so on. OK the metrics may be complex but I think we all understand what a poor region is like.
 
Kellfire said:
It isn’t though, is it? I just rarely change my mind but I always challenge my own views. Chris is showing himself up as the typical little Englander; myopic, insular and pretty repugnant.
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So you are suggesting you are always right. I would suggest you are showing yourself up as something much worse than that.
 
SocketRocket said:
Is that really true about 9 out of the 10 poorest EU regions are in the UK? Even poorer than regions of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and so on. OK the metrics may be complex but I think we all understand what a poor region is like.
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There's a report on the EU's own website, Eurostat, which details it. The report doesn't include the south Eastern European countries in the same detail but does look at income equality in those countries. It makes for damning reading.
 
SocketRocket said:
So you are suggesting you are always right. I would suggest you are showing yourself up as something much worse than that.
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C'mon SR leave the precious little darling alone.

Of course he knows much more than those of us who have actually lived through successive Labour/Tory governments and can readily see their traits. Started up and run our own businesses and run them through good and bad times, but ensuring the staff always got paid before I did. Paid high rates of various taxes, seen wars and troubles but ended up as a Little Englander, myopic, insular and pretty repugnant. Hopefully one day he will realise that maybe we are just a little bit more experienced of life in the real world and that he really knows absolutely nothing about me to come to that judgement.
 
Kellfire said:
It isn’t though, is it? I just rarely change my mind but I always challenge my own views. Chris is showing himself up as the typical little Englander; myopic, insular and pretty repugnant.
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Personal comments like this have no place on these boards.

Please resist the temptation yourselves or I will have to supply the resistance myself
 
Imurg said:
Or is she from Essex:unsure:

Can't wait until Friday....all those who lost will say they won and go to court to prove it...
And some people on here have got way too much time on their hands...
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I wonder what the winning margin needs to be to stop the losers from demanding a GE re run?
 
Wolf said:
Nice generalisation of an entire county there. Is that because you don't like one poster or assume everyone from the good old Garden of England is a Xenophobic far right brexiteer that doesn't understand politics and instead just doesn't like Corbyn....

I can assure you as a Man of Kent you couldn't be further from the truth. Yes our County has its fair share of those people as do many others all over the country. But equally there are far more intelligent people that can and will make decisions during this GE based on policy, manifesto and doing so in a balanced way.

I won't vote labour because i believe their manifesto is in no way affordable without tax issues for everyone not just high earners, I won't vote Tory because of issue I have with their manifesto and brexit at any cost attitude. I don't like the leader of either party for varying reasons but that does not affect my vote because its not the leader im voting for in the GE but the party i feel best suits my own views and that's exactly what many others in Kent will do to.

For the record Kent didnt even make it into the top 30 of places on record that voted to leave...

In fact there were 39 other locations above any kent constituency to vote leave and many far more north

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-36616028
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I spent the majority of my life in Kent. I know the political lay of the land. The views expressed by ChrisD are quite common and i know you don’t like it .. but are very similar to the EDL.
Oh and incidentally when was the last time you saw the EDL in action? They have their skin head faction but they also have their overweight middle aged men in polo shirts and shorts faction.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Northern Ireland politics was/is a lot more complicated and certainly more than just two sides.

As I said who knows what went on in these meetings

But if it wasn’t trying to find a way to start peace off what else would Corbyn be meeting them for ?

And it was also well known that the government at the time were also keeping back channels open to the IRA
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I've no idea why he was meeting them but I wasn't only referring to Ireland. He's met with Hamas and Hezbollah and called them his friends, although he did try to later clarify that he hadn't used the term friends in the traditional sense and that he meant something else. The man, much like Boris, is a proven liar, so it's very difficult to trust anything he says, let alone when it comes to meeting what have been classified as terrorist organisations.
 
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