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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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chrisd said:
I got a little fed up with Andrew Neil coming up with more and more convoluted hypothetical questions to ask her, but she's dead in the water next week
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No risk of Johnson struggling so - he’ll just float on in there next week and then we discover who we have in charge...

The silver lining is that it looks like forage ltd might not have too much representation in Westminster
 
MetalMickie said:
This is just the sort of thing that made me decide yesterday to keep away from commenting on this thread.

However, I am afraid that I cannot let it pass.

I may not agree with Diane Abbott on most things but I find it reprehensible to drag her son's alleged behaviour into this discussion.

As far as I am aware he is not a candidate in the election.
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Forget for one minute who his parents are, if you read the charges. Scumbag is rather tame.
 
Hobbit said:
A major issue with any discussion about immigration is it seems to invariably become toxic, and labels like "racist" and "insular" get thrown around. Without resorting to anecdotal evidence, just what are the issues that immigration cause?

Typically, we hear about the strains on services. The difficulties in getting doctor's appointments and the waiting lists in hospitals. Overcrowding in schools, and so it goes on.

But where is the definitive evidence that proves that immigration is out of control?

The employment figures show that unemployment is at its lowest level in over 40 years, and has been achieved on the back of net immigration hitting around +300k. And if employment is up, so to is the tax take, including indirect taxes like VAT. And because of that, it might be argued that the tax take hasn't been spent wisely. Why wasn't it been spent on hospitals and schools?

If you also look at the age demographic and the number of single immigrants that come to the UK to work, you will see that they, in the main, all working and adding more to the tax take than is taken in benefits.

I'm almost playing a Devil's Advocate role here. In the run up to the 2016 referendum, and all the furore surrounding immigration, I dug deep into the facts surrounding immigration and the (supposed) issues it is reputed to cause. There are issues around immigration but I'd argue they are, in the main, of various government's making.

For those decrying immigration, go and get the facts and the figures. And not just the bald numbers. Use your intellect to apply those facts and numbers to what should and could have been done.

Anecdotally, I've lived and worked around Europe for many years, specifically with the various health services and health boards. The lack of staff and facilities is to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the country, mirrored throughout Europe. And now here in Spain, as immigrants, we read of wards closed and specialities moved to different hospitals, but to a large extent we can still see a GP within a couple of days and get a hospital appointment within a few weeks.

Just maybe immigration is being used as an excuse for damned poor management by successive governments... just a thought.
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I try to be pretty neutral on the subject, but do have some exposure. I think it differs across regions/areas also. I was in east Midlands in late 90s, early 00s (so not SE). I knew several people in the education sector. Some simple measures were class sizes, and numbers of children where English was not their first language. There were significant increases in a short space of time. I recall the government of the day under pressure as there was no clue on people movements (not really much better today), the local wrag did their own estimates and came up with more increases to the city alone than the government estimate for the whole UK.
On maybe a lighter note, patrols had to be added to the river banks as fish were being caught and cooked on the spot in large numbers (pleasure anglers not happy). Plus some reverse stereo-typing, the local landlords would hope for a Polish family as they'd leave the property better than when they moved in!
Anyway the migration was noticeable and tangible. There were positives and negatives. I was not surprised to see how the ref votes went in that area.
 
chrisd said:
I got a little fed up with Andrew Neil coming up with more and more convoluted hypothetical questions to ask her, but she's dead in the water next week
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Same here Chris, considering the poor questioning he was using and his ridiculous hypothetical scenarios she did ok as she could only answer what he was putting at her. This interview serves further as to why boris not doing one with him is a good move for him and the Tory bid to retain their government. It’s become more bout AN making statements than about factually questioning the candidates.
 
Wolf said:
Same here Chris, considering the poor questioning he was using and his ridiculous hypothetical scenarios she did ok as she could only answer what he was putting at her. This interview serves further as to why boris not doing one with him is a good move for him and the Tory bid to retain their government. It’s become more bout AN making statements than about factually questioning the candidates.
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I agree, there's only one reason why everyone is clamouring for him to do it is to even up the party leaders in the "looking stupid" competition and hopefully Boris will win the competition by looking least stupid by not going on his show given how much he has to lose by doing so. Although I detest Swinson I thought she handled AN much better this time
 
pauldj42 said:
Tash, did you read the article or just react to the misleading headline, you need to remember Osborne is the editor of that rag.
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It's half said in jest Paul, must put more smileys on some of me ??? That odious little man ( Osborne) came to our pit/ Thoresby. He went underground with the strictest of instructions to our gaffers that he was not to speak to any of the men. The men didn't get to speak to him. The gaffers did and apparantly told him in no uncertain terms what they thought. When he was leaving the pit he was presented with a miners lamp. Grrrrrrrrr.
 
chrisd said:
I agree, there's only one reason why everyone is clamouring for him to do it is to even up the party leaders in the "looking stupid" competition and hopefully Boris will win the competition by looking least stupid by not going on his show given how much he has to lose by doing so. Although I detest Swinson I thought she handled AN much better this time
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Not really, you've said that Swinson handled him relatively well, hence in addition to the actual policy answers, that will (or at least should) inform people to some extent of the type of leader she may be in pressure situations. It would be nice to see how Boris copes and by using the same interviewer with the same approach there is a base level to compare them. The fact that some people do not like his approach is neither here nor there to me as long as he is consistent. Twitter is ablaze with left wing conspiracy theories over how chummy he is with Boris and his right wing leanings, so of any of them you'd think Boris the avoider would be the one wanting to do it most.
 
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MetalMickie said:
So what!

I repeat, he is not standing as a candidate and, therefore, whilst his alleged behaviour may be reprehensible it remains irrelevant to any discussion around the election.
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So the fact a Labour front bencher, who is against public schools, sends her son to one. That in Mansfield is called Hypocrisy. I didn't know that til I read the piece. What I say and what I do springs to mind.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49798861
 
Tashyboy said:
So the fact a Labour front bencher, who is against public schools, sends her son to one. That in Mansfield is called Hypocrisy. I didn't know that til I read the piece. What I say and what I do springs to mind.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49798861
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The difference is Tash, her son is now 28 and she’s no longer responsible for him.
boris has refused many times to discuss how many children he’s fathered(and I agree with him on this) but should we have a go as we need to know if his comments from 1995 about single mothers are fair?
Let’s be honest, any other Labour politician having this happen in their family it wouldn’t of made the headlines.
Families should be kept out of it unless the politician brings them in.
 
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