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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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pauldj42 said:
Don’t know mate, it’s all about giving local leaders “more control” the announcement said!
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Sorry, I should have added a smillie, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Original estimate for Crossrail was £14.8bn, currently up to £18.25bn and as it will not by done now until 2021 there are chances for it to go higher still. That is a huge amount being swallowed by one project and for the benefit of one city. It goes back to your earlier post about so much of the country being London centric.

Divide that £4bn between the regions and that may get us an extra 1 mile passing point on the A1, a few more pacer trains being replaced. Woo hoo, that has made my mind up :D
 
Grant85 said:
Absolutely. The problem is not immigration (we NEED immigration to help with economic growth and the demographics meaning a shortage of working age people) its the way the economy is balanced within the UK, or not balanced.

The problem is that not enough, or anything, is done to encourage the population to spread away from London / SE. There is still a huge drain pulling talent from within Britain to London, never mind immigrants.

Billions are spent on transport in London, Crossrail, potential Heathrow expansion, Hs2 etc. Absolute madness by a London centric government which is actively harming other parts of their own country.

Instead this resource could be spent on improving roads and infrastructure to regions in Midlands, North, Wales, Scotland etc. As well as tax breaks for businesses who locate / hire people in that area. It would take years of course to realign, but if all you did was stop kids from Yorkshire and Lancashire moving to London, within 10 years there would be a huge difference.

I guess Governments look at the tax take and effectively treat London as a cash cow to milk as much as they can, rather than do anything to try and get a bit more tax out of other cities and regions by actually investing in those areas.
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I disagree, increased population needs increasing public services that cannot be provided to serve the demand so we end up with over demand and a quality of life that is being sucked downward by ever diminishing returns. The argument that we need more young immigrants to provide for the elderly is also wrong. They are also responsible for much of the increase in childbirth and as such will be using state support, also they will grow old thus creating even more demand for additional services and even more immigrants to support them. When will our population be too big, 70/80/90/100 million or using your argument can we move people around and never have too many. I fail to understand how anyone cannot have concerns over population growth and the effects it will have on future generations, especially when we are trying to reduce the effects of pollution and global warming.
Footnote: I have not made any personal attacks on anyone in this post
 
SocketRocket said:
I disagree, increased population needs increasing public services that cannot be provided to serve the demand so we end up with over demand and a quality of life that is being sucked downward by ever diminishing returns. The argument that we need more young immigrants to provide for the elderly is also wrong. They are also responsible for much of the increase in childbirth and as such will be using state support, also they will grow old thus creating even more demand for additional services and even more immigrants to support them. When will our population be too big, 70/80/90/100 million or using your argument can we move people around and never have too many. I fail to understand how anyone cannot have concerns over population growth and the effects it will have on future generations, especially when we are trying to reduce the effects of pollution and global warming.
Footnote: I have not made any personal attacks on anyone in this post
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Just have a 2 kid limit then .. but they would not meet the tax burden of the older generation.. I’ll leave it there
 
Immigration is another subject that polarises opinions when it shouldn’t and is an area I agree should be discussed without fear.
Only last night it was claimed Labour wanted no limits and open borders, which was shown to be untrue.
All those that vote leave or tory are racist and that is just as much untrue.

Once again successive governments have allowed the numbers to rise almost without a plan, no infrastructure in place, no control of were immigrants go to live, there are industries and areas that need immigration, but again no control.

It needs a grown up debate and to suggest closing the borders etc to all is just daft.

We also need politicians to stop blaming each other as an excuse rather than taking responsibility for their or their parties part in the problem.
 
harpo_72 said:
Just have a 2 kid limit then .. but they would not meet the tax burden of the older generation.. I’ll leave it there
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Well, not if we have to take in an exponential number of immigrants year on year to support the ones before. Like I asked, how big would we like our population to be? 70/80/90/100 million?
 
SocketRocket said:
Well, not if we have to take in an exponential number of immigrants year on year to support the ones before. Like I asked, how big would we like our population to be? 70/80/90/100 million?
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If we have to take them on to do work the English cannot be bothered to do .. then should we not kick out the people who add nothing but just take
 
SocketRocket said:
Might be a problem kicking them out but don't encourage them.
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Remove the internet, turn the tv off during the day ... really don’t know why anything is open between 7am and 5pm ... total waste of time. Close the job centre down. Send a transit round to press gang them into picking veg and fruit .. ;)

But on a serious note some stuff needs to be addressed and it won’t be pleasant.
 
Just got the latest batch of leaflets through the door 4 in total.

The 1 from the Tory candidate is horrendous and littered with spelling mistakes but doesn’t say much except for the full page spread on what Labour are failing to do and spin about Labour lies.

The Labour leaflet which is just slating the Tory party and not discussing their agenda for local community or Uk government. The only thing is states is that our constituency is being failed because we don’t have a general hopsital, motorway or higher education establishment. All of which are lies as we have Lincoln general hospital, Lincoln college and lincoln university (which is a big Uni) & a bloody great motorway nearby.

We got another from an independant candidate which has nothing in it about what she is standing for but tells me she has an MBE and her name.

The last one we got today was for Lib Dems, a 19year Old lad that details everything about what he will do for our community, states his top pledges to improve services and other important local issues, where he will look to seek more input from communities, about our environment, local NHS, education and employment levels...

Literally the young lad is the only one as far as the leaflets go that we get daily who actually talks about policy and not slagging others off.

Our area is certainly not spoilt for choice ?
 
4LEX said:
Wonder if her scumbag of a son will be getting free legal aid for attacking the Police? :cautious:
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Just had a quick read, he was privately educated ?? no comp education there. Bailed til Feb in which time his mum could be Home Secretary. He could call her as a character witness. God I hope Labour get in power now. ??????
 
pauldj42 said:
It’s gateway though, I understand slightly were you’re coming from as I lived in Uxbridge/Hounslow for a few years and saw the issue for locals, the locals are swamped with “outsiders” of all nationalities coming through and looking for work, homes etc.
As pointed out, the SE is getting larger and larger through the commuter belt.
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The issue has not been "outsiders" coming in but business and industry being squeezed out...
 
4LEX said:
Wonder if her scumbag of a son will be getting free legal aid for attacking the Police? :cautious:
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This is just the sort of thing that made me decide yesterday to keep away from commenting on this thread.

However, I am afraid that I cannot let it pass.

I may not agree with Diane Abbott on most things but I find it reprehensible to drag her son's alleged behaviour into this discussion.

As far as I am aware he is not a candidate in the election.
 
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