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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Grant85 said:
Arguably the SNP could have played to this section more and toned down the indyref2 chat and possibly made it easier for people to support them solely on an EU ticket, but they've stuck to their guns and ultimately have a stronger mandate if they do win 40+ seats.
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From their research, it seems toning down the IndyRef message in 2017 was why there was such a large stay at home SNP vote, it didn't go elsewhere, it just didn't turn out, it seems they've learned that lesson

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Also Hugh, in your case, Andrew Bowie has a very healthy majority (very very healthy for Scotland) and it would def take a lot of 2017 Tories to stay at home or vote SNP in order for him to lose. One thing is sure, if the SNP do gain that seat, it's been a very bad night for the Conservatives in Scotland.
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Aye Bowie has a huge majority, but it's close, and WAK is the most canvassed constituency in Scotland, we're trying bloody hard! You'll note all Bowie has are himself and a couple of helpers daily, and they're only leafleting too.

He's also lying like a proper Tory, stories coming from Aboyne that he's telling the oldies that the SNP are keeping money from the NHS to fund undyref2. He's shameless.
 
Hobbit said:
Just a thought, the doc is responsible for prescribing. Surely it should be theor choice? After all, if there’s a clinical incident it’s them that can take the rap.
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My understanding is that the doctor prescribes the drug - in her case that is Letrozole - and that drug comes in a number of brands. Of those she has tried all but the Femara brand cause her real issues. But she has to find a pharmacist that stocks that brand. She knows it is slightly more expensive - and that might mean it is withdrawn under another regime - but she fears that it could also be withdrawn if - say - a US drug company manufactures Letrozole and that becomes the only brand that she can get through the NHS. Femara is manufactured by Novartis - a Swiss company...

I hesitate to speculate but I will - there may be a trade deal on Femara with Novartis through an overall Swiss-EU trade agreement on drugs.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Too much immigration from anywhere is bad , saying there has been more from outside the EU doesn't make any difference. It all needs cutting back wherever it comes from, Conservatives and Labour are guilty for letting get to unsustainable numbers.
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A major issue with any discussion about immigration is it seems to invariably become toxic, and labels like "racist" and "insular" get thrown around. Without resorting to anecdotal evidence, just what are the issues that immigration cause?

Typically, we hear about the strains on services. The difficulties in getting doctor's appointments and the waiting lists in hospitals. Overcrowding in schools, and so it goes on.

But where is the definitive evidence that proves that immigration is out of control?

The employment figures show that unemployment is at its lowest level in over 40 years, and has been achieved on the back of net immigration hitting around +300k. And if employment is up, so to is the tax take, including indirect taxes like VAT. And because of that, it might be argued that the tax take hasn't been spent wisely. Why wasn't it been spent on hospitals and schools?

If you also look at the age demographic and the number of single immigrants that come to the UK to work, you will see that they, in the main, all working and adding more to the tax take than is taken in benefits.

I'm almost playing a Devil's Advocate role here. In the run up to the 2016 referendum, and all the furore surrounding immigration, I dug deep into the facts surrounding immigration and the (supposed) issues it is reputed to cause. There are issues around immigration but I'd argue they are, in the main, of various government's making.

For those decrying immigration, go and get the facts and the figures. And not just the bald numbers. Use your intellect to apply those facts and numbers to what should and could have been done.

Anecdotally, I've lived and worked around Europe for many years, specifically with the various health services and health boards. The lack of staff and facilities is to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the country, mirrored throughout Europe. And now here in Spain, as immigrants, we read of wards closed and specialities moved to different hospitals, but to a large extent we can still see a GP within a couple of days and get a hospital appointment within a few weeks.

Just maybe immigration is being used as an excuse for damned poor management by successive governments... just a thought.
 
One of the issues I face, daily, is traffic. I am not blaming it on imigrants per se, but migrants certainly. 10 years ago, I could drive home from work in less than 30 minutes. Now it can take 30 minutes to drive the 1/2 mile to Staples corner.

There are just way more cars. Way more homes, way more people. I can't travel to work by public transport, it would take around 3 hours each way to do 15 miles.

I used to cycle a bit, but that is flat out dangerous now.
 
murphthemog said:
One of the issues I face, daily, is traffic. I am not blaming it on imigrants per se, but migrants certainly. 10 years ago, I could drive home from work in less than 30 minutes. Now it can take 30 minutes to drive the 1/2 mile to Staples corner.

There are just way more cars. Way more homes, way more people. I can't travel to work by public transport, it would take around 3 hours each way to do 15 miles.

I used to cycle a bit, but that is flat out dangerous now.
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Is some of that down to successive governments not doing enough to move trade and industry away from the South East?
Unfortunately in every Country in the world people are attracted to the big Cities.
An ideal opportunity for me would of been to build or expand another airport in the Midlands or North and take away some of the strain.
Lots of people from around the UK have also migrated south for employment reasons.
There’s no doubt lots of areas around the UK has seen differing impacts of immigration and migration.
 
Hobbit said:
A major issue with any discussion about immigration is it seems to invariably become toxic, and labels like "racist" and "insular" get thrown around. Without resorting to anecdotal evidence, just what are the issues that immigration cause?

Typically, we hear about the strains on services. The difficulties in getting doctor's appointments and the waiting lists in hospitals. Overcrowding in schools, and so it goes on.

But where is the definitive evidence that proves that immigration is out of control?

The employment figures show that unemployment is at its lowest level in over 40 years, and has been achieved on the back of net immigration hitting around +300k. And if employment is up, so to is the tax take, including indirect taxes like VAT. And because of that, it might be argued that the tax take hasn't been spent wisely. Why wasn't it been spent on hospitals and schools?

If you also look at the age demographic and the number of single immigrants that come to the UK to work, you will see that they, in the main, all working and adding more to the tax take than is taken in benefits.

I'm almost playing a Devil's Advocate role here. In the run up to the 2016 referendum, and all the furore surrounding immigration, I dug deep into the facts surrounding immigration and the (supposed) issues it is reputed to cause. There are issues around immigration but I'd argue they are, in the main, of various government's making.

For those decrying immigration, go and get the facts and the figures. And not just the bald numbers. Use your intellect to apply those facts and numbers to what should and could have been done.

Anecdotally, I've lived and worked around Europe for many years, specifically with the various health services and health boards. The lack of staff and facilities is to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the country, mirrored throughout Europe. And now here in Spain, as immigrants, we read of wards closed and specialities moved to different hospitals, but to a large extent we can still see a GP within a couple of days and get a hospital appointment within a few weeks.

Just maybe immigration is being used as an excuse for damned poor management by successive governments... just a thought.
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Like you I have studied the information available and considered the physical changes we have experienced over the last couple of decades. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that our stretched services and infrastructure is the result of population increases. I also find it hard to believe the case where immigrants are paying in substantial more in tax than they take out, there are reports suggesting that at the best they are cost neutral. If we are receiving all this extra money then why are we not awash with tax revenue.
As I said previously the problem is our services have been built up over many years from tax revenues and when we have such an explosion in the population we have experienced then the money is not available to extend these services to cope.
 
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Thinking about it, if BJ gets his majority then he can do as he pleases to the country for 5 years ... what he does in those 5 years will go down in history and they will be remembered and the aspersions cast, perhaps even repeated on forums 40 years afterwards.

So he has one chance to make Brexit a success, failure to do so will be lumped on the Tories and their inability to negotiate, strategise or budget.

With that in mind he might want to throw the election ;)
So we will be heading for a hung parliment and more phaffing and back biting, the electorate has to make up it's mind and accept no one is bringing utopia with their manifesto
 
pauldj42 said:
Is some of that down to successive governments not doing enough to move trade and industry away from the South East?
Unfortunately in every Country in the world people are attracted to the big Cities.
An ideal opportunity for me would of been to build or expand another airport in the Midlands or North and take away some of the strain.
Lots of people from around the UK have also migrated south for employment reasons.
There’s no doubt lots of areas around the UK has seen differing impacts of immigration and migration.
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Absolutely. The problem is not immigration (we NEED immigration to help with economic growth and the demographics meaning a shortage of working age people) its the way the economy is balanced within the UK, or not balanced.

The problem is that not enough, or anything, is done to encourage the population to spread away from London / SE. There is still a huge drain pulling talent from within Britain to London, never mind immigrants.

Billions are spent on transport in London, Crossrail, potential Heathrow expansion, Hs2 etc. Absolute madness by a London centric government which is actively harming other parts of their own country.

Instead this resource could be spent on improving roads and infrastructure to regions in Midlands, North, Wales, Scotland etc. As well as tax breaks for businesses who locate / hire people in that area. It would take years of course to realign, but if all you did was stop kids from Yorkshire and Lancashire moving to London, within 10 years there would be a huge difference.

I guess Governments look at the tax take and effectively treat London as a cash cow to milk as much as they can, rather than do anything to try and get a bit more tax out of other cities and regions by actually investing in those areas.
 
made me chuckle - Labour has not got a snowballs chance in hell of passing a soft brext even if voted for - it is a miracle Boris got a deal through.

 
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Amazing how right on cue this is. Here's our "faithful" hero out and about in my neighborhood, on his own, delivering leaflets, while just up the road the SNP candidate is out canvassing with a large team.
 
pauldj42 said:
Is some of that down to successive governments not doing enough to move trade and industry away from the South East?
Unfortunately in every Country in the world people are attracted to the big Cities.
An ideal opportunity for me would of been to build or expand another airport in the Midlands or North and take away some of the strain.
Lots of people from around the UK have also migrated south for employment reasons.
There’s no doubt lots of areas around the UK has seen differing impacts of immigration and migration.
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Living in the shadow of a major airport hub isn't that great for employment unless you feel minimum wage zero hours is the way forward...
 
MegaSteve said:
Living in the shadow of a major airport hub isn't that great for employment unless you feel minimum wage zero hours is the way forward...
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It’s gateway though, I understand slightly were you’re coming from as I lived in Uxbridge/Hounslow for a few years and saw the issue for locals, the locals are swamped with “outsiders” of all nationalities coming through and looking for work, homes etc.
As pointed out, the SE is getting larger and larger through the commuter belt.
 
tories pledging £4 Billion for public transport that was not mentioned in their manifesto!
Best clear the thread for the outrage and jokes to be displayed by their supporters.
 
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