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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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I dont claim to be sartorially gifted... But what on God's earth is Melania wearing?

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chrisd said:
Weren't the Labour Party first to outsource NHS stuff to private supply?
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Guy on the radio pointed out that almost all parts of the NHS that have been sold off in one form or another happened under a Labour government. The Tories have no track record of doing this, which surprised me tbh.
 
Fade and Die said:
Guy on the radio pointed out that almost all parts of the NHS that have been sold off in one form or another happened under a Labour government. The Tories have no track record of doing this, which surprised me tbh.
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Not sure that's strictly accurate but not far off. The vast majority of sell offs I experienced were during Blair's govts.
 
Hobbit said:
Not sure that's strictly accurate but not far off. The vast majority of sell offs I experienced were during Blair's govts.
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I know you had experience of supplying the NHS but what exactly are things that have been sold off. I guess PFI is a form but the NHS cant supply everything to its self. I know medical services are supplied by companies like Spire and Virgin but arnt these non profit making outfits.
 
SocketRocket said:
I know you had experience of supplying the NHS but what exactly are things that have been sold off. I guess PFI is a form but the NHS cant supply everything to its self. I know medical services are supplied by companies like Spire and Virgin but arnt these non profit making outfits.
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Its easier to say what hasn't been sold off. Depending on the Trust involved, you might find that the only thing left in NHS 'ownership' is doctors and nurses. A number of Trust have also retained the IT staff and clinical admin because of the sensitivity of patient data.
 
Hobbit said:
Its easier to say what hasn't been sold off. Depending on the Trust involved, you might find that the only thing left in NHS 'ownership' is doctors and nurses. A number of Trust have also retained the IT staff and clinical admin because of the sensitivity of patient data.
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So does the NHS hire things like beds, operating theaters, patent monitoring equipment, ambulances etc.
 
Hobbit said:
Thats a cheap shot Paul, and quite distasteful.

I thought using someone's death for political gains was being decried from the roof tops... obviously not.
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You accused me of having a knee jerk reaction when if you’d read the link you’d of noticed Kay Richardson was Sunderland and knowing you know were I live my I’m quite aware of the case and the fight her family have put up since her murder.
So no, it’s not a knee jerk reaction it’s the horror on the figure being released that this poor family are not the only ones who have suffered under the continuous cuts to the criminal justice system.
 
pauldj42 said:
You accused me of having a knee jerk reaction when if you’d read the link you’d of noticed Kay Richardson was Sunderland and knowing you know were I live my I’m quite aware of the case and the fight her family have put up since her murder.
So no, it’s not a knee jerk reaction it’s the horror on the figure being released that this poor family are not the only ones who have suffered under the continuous cuts to the criminal justice system.
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Thats ok then because its already being used(sarcasm). Its still double standards Paul and I stand by the cheap shot comment. I didn't say you were having a knee jerk reaction - how could you be involved in the review, so how could you jump to a conclusion?

At the very least you could have explained your point better, rather than have a one line dig.
 
Hobbit said:
Thats ok then because its already being used(sarcasm). Its still double standards Paul and I stand by the cheap shot comment. I didn't say you were having a knee jerk reaction - how could you be involved in the review, so how could you jump to a conclusion?

At the very least you could have explained your point better, rather than have a one line dig.
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What’s the point, I’ve been accused of making excuses and having knee jerk reactions lately, maybe I could be asked to explain my point better in the first place, because some of the posts were I have explained my point have been ignored.
 
SocketRocket said:
Jeez the politburo are in a fine state of excitement today. Everything Tory is rubbish ?
Theres a huge difference between letting out early some people who have committed crimes other than terrorism. Terrorists are mass killers, that's what their modus operandi is and given the chance these fanatics will murder again as we have just witnessed. Lock the bastards up on a remote island and parachute in supplies, they can murder each other. Absolutely no remorse for people who won't be changed and will recruit others to kill those who have fostered them and their parents.
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And once again you rant on your soapbox knowing full well what you’re saying will never happen.
Was the BNP Manifesto not extreme enough for you? Or are struggling for tory good news today?
 
pauldj42 said:
And once again you rant on your soapbox knowing full well what you’re saying will never happen.
Was the BNP Manifesto not extreme enough for you? Or are struggling for tory good news today?
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Who's talking to you, stop being so precious thinking anything posted about Labour is a personal slight. You keep saying you dont have any time for the Labour leadership then jump in feet first throwing the insults around if anyone critises them. Seems to me you protesteth too much about the Torys, are they worrying you ?
 
SocketRocket said:
So does the NHS hire things like beds, operating theaters, patent monitoring equipment, ambulances etc.
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Yes to hiring beds but only certain types. Bear in mind a pneumatic bed that helps alleviate bed sores runs into many thousands per bed but might only be needed for that condition occasionally. Cheaper to hire them in.

Operating theatres; you could add any facility, e.g. a lab or even a general ward. Yes they can be delivered as a modular build that interconnects with other builds... think hamster cage with all sorts of bits tagged on. Were quite popular 10-15 years back but the recession knocked the market on that one. Always been more popular on the continent.

Medical eqpt; most types of equipment can be hired, and there's also creative ways to do the hiring. A popular version is a hospital puts out an equipment requirement. A finance company buys the equipment, then leases it to the hospital. This will often include maintenance and sometimes even replacement at end of life. No need for a big CAPEX budget but it will take a chunk out of OPEX.

Ambulances; don't know.
 
pauldj42 said:
If you actually looked at the problem and saw what is actually happening you wouldn’t be jumping and having knee jerk reactions.

80% of UK terrorists over the past decade have been home grown.

https://amp.ft.com/content/c39a01b8-6c04-11e9-80c7-60ee53e6681d
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/homegrown-terrorism-prevent-strategy/

Immigration being the issue is simply smoke and mirrors.

As for the “lock em up and throw away the key” soundbites that’s all they are soundbites.
No party is going to introduce a terrorist bill that changes the punishment for all terrorist offences to life imprisonment without no chance of release, no party and that’s a fact.
We don’t have the facilities, resources, manpower etc to make such changes and why people believe we would is beyond me.

I’ve had mates blown up, mates killed, been involved in bombings and shootings and no one would like it any more than me to see terrorists shot on sight or imprisoned for life, but it’s not the world we live in and not the reality some will accept.

Were’s been all these cries for throwing away the key and stopping immigration for the last 10 yrs been while the tories have had control and been cutting the police and probstion services, the fact is it’s a knee jerk reaction to last weeks awful events that some are using to gain politically.
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Reading your last sentence, what makes you think that what I have said is a knee jerk reaction? I have been of this opinion for years, that we are allowing the innocent public to be risked because of namby pamby sentencing of criminals. It's not their fault, the liberals say, they are good if you give them the chance. Don't lock them up, there must be another way. It's a risk the public should accept. Excuse after excuse ad nauseum.
And are you really advocating the uncontrolled, unlimited immigration into this small Country whose resources have been stretched for years.
This country has been full up for many a year, we cannot keep the population rising the way it has been . Policies over years to get votes
which encourage high birth rates , etc.
Doctors and hospitals overstretched year on year, schools the same.
One reason - Too many people.
So, no , not a knee jerk reaction . I am not a young man. I have seen this country slide from a promising egalitarian era just after the war, when it could have been made into a good place to live, and when fairness and respect for society was instilled into us .
There were opportunities for us young people to make a home etc, which we did, if we wanted to, but now, the young are stymied . They are forced to live on a precipice of debt, to the point where they begin to think it is the proper way to be. They are not enough of them educated properly, in knowledge nor consideration for society . It's becoming every man for himself. What it has now become is dismaying
so, you can be assured that my views are not "a knee jerk reaction"
 
MegaSteve said:
Just wants us to purchase pharmaceuticals at eye watering prices, from US companies, from what I've read...
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on what twisted and utterly illogical outcome do you think that would happen. The prices US citizens pay for drugs are eye wattering - we are far ahead in this and it will not change
 
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