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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Dando said:
So now red jezza is going to try and con commuters by slashing rail costs by a third
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Well, bearing in mind the amount of support the various rail companies receive - think Virgin got £4bn to take on the franchise, and the ticket revenue for last year was almost £2bn just how much will be needed to run the nationalised railways let alone pay of the bonds?

The guy is attempting to buy votes. Its not even subtle. £58bn for the WASPI's and now slashing fares... the guy is dangerous.
 
patricks148 said:
i don't have a problem with you slagging off who ever, i don't think its far to call anyone thick when they are cleary not;)
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I think another of my problems is I don't like people who take us for fools. I don't meanjust me. There's no doubt that most of these MPs are educated. But most of them couldn't lie straight in bed. Oh how I long for a straight answer to a straight question.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
In national terms they are the principal (not only) party whose success could lead to the break up of the union - that is why what the SNP say is relevant to the wider UK electorate. Were Labour and the Conservatives in Scotland not seen by many Scots as simply being subservient to the Westminster parties, then they could certainly defeat the SNP in Scotland and remove the risk of independence (for the time being). But as much of the Scottish electorate look at Westminster Labour and Conservative (especially) and want little or nothing to do with them or their policies, that is unlikely to happen. You cannot separate political discussion and decisions in and for Westminster, from the consequences those decisions could have upon the union.

So yes - from the other thread - Brexit - even a No Deal Brexit - might be what the rUK electorate decides through it's representation in Westminster - but the rUK electorate should choose that route knowing the benefits that Brexit will have for it - and consider and balance these benefits against the possible break up of the union and the chaos that could well ensue.
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None of which makes the SNP relevant to the rest of the UK.

If we were to have a vote in any future independence referendum it would be a different matter.
 
MetalMickie said:
None of which makes the SNP relevant to the rest of the UK.

If we were to have a vote in any future independence referendum it would be a different matter.
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There is SNP representation in Westminster. They represent Scottish voters. Of course they are relevant. Westminster isn't just for the English. DUP are there, Plaid Cymru are there... what a bizarre post!
 
patricks148 said:
why would you get vote for Scottish Independance, unless you live in Scotland?
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Exactly proving my original point.

If we cannot vote on the SNP's sole issue then politically they are an irrelevance to us.
 
Hobbit said:
There is SNP representation in Westminster. They represent Scottish voters. Of course they are relevant. Westminster isn't just for the English. DUP are there, Plaid Cymru are there... what a bizarre post!
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Far from bizarre!

What is that party's objective?

If they achieve that objective they will no longer be sitting in Westminster, so where is the relevance to those of us that cannot vote for them, or indeed specifically against them.

Aside from independence their policies on social and economic issues are understandably focused on Scotland so, again, where is their relevance to those of us outside of Scotland?
 
MetalMickie said:
Far from bizarre!

What is that party's objective?

If they achieve that objective they will no longer be sitting in Westminster, so where is the relevance to those of us that cannot vote for them, or indeed specifically against them.

Aside from independence their policies on social and economic issues are understandably focused on Scotland so, again, where is their relevance to those of us outside of Scotland?
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Their relevance was made very clear by Sturgeon. They are willing to prop up a Labour minority govt.

For any Labour supporter who doesn’t want Sturgeon anywhere near power in Westminster they have a difficult choice.

For any Tory supporter hearing Sturgeon speak, they now have an even greater reason to get out there and vote.

Surely you have heard Sturgeon speak on this? Surely you understand the relevance? Or are you just having a poke at the SNP supporters?
 
spongebob59 said:
miners pensions now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1201562083042766848
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It's kinda old news, the robbing of miners pensions has gone on for decades. Labour have promised to look at the current 50/50 split of surplus monies which has made the governments about £4 Billion. The problem with a lot of miners is, why did Labour not sort this when they were in Government. The general thought is that it is now a Labour policy to gain votes and not to right a wrong.
On a bigger scale, Labour didn't do owt to help the miners, so why should they help women who have had there pensions affected.
 
Hobbit said:
Their relevance was made very clear by Sturgeon. They are willing to prop up a Labour minority govt.

For any Labour supporter who doesn’t want Sturgeon anywhere near power in Westminster they have a difficult choice.

For any Tory supporter hearing Sturgeon speak, they now have an even greater reason to get out there and vote.

Surely you have heard Sturgeon speak on this? Surely you understand the relevance? Or are you just having a poke at the SNP supporters?
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Not having a poke at anyone.

Simply stating that the SNP and their policies are irrelevant to me in the terms of the election.

It matters not if I agree or disagree with them as I am not able to express my view through the ballot box.

The fact that they might enter into some form of coalition with Labour is again largely irrelevant as I cannot influence that decision.

As is often said in sport "your only concerns are those issues which you can affect yourself ".
 
Tashyboy said:
It's kinda old news, the robbing of miners pensions has gone on for decades. Labour have promised to look at the current 50/50 split of surplus monies which has made the governments about £4 Billion. The problem with a lot of miners is, why did Labour not sort this when they were in Government. The general thought is that it is now a Labour policy to gain votes and not to right a wrong.
On a bigger scale, Labour didn't do owt to help the miners, so why should they help women who have had there pensions affected.
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Wow tiger! You can’t have it both ways!
One of the issues that led to the Labour Party going back to its roots of the Union Support and more left leaning was the belief Blair etc had gone too far to the right, had lost touch with the working class and had failed to readdress the years of damage the tories had done and not reversed some of the anti-union legislation.
This has led to the rise in momentum and the more left wing politicians coming to prominence.
Now you have a Labour Party willing to address these issues and your still moaning as well as bringing the waspi women into it! ie, I’m alright jack!
Surely after all the years of frustration and moaning you should be rejoicing and voting Labour, because I’ll tell you what, you’ve no chance of the pension theft being corrected voting tory!
 
MetalMickie said:
Not having a poke at anyone.

Simply stating that the SNP and their policies are irrelevant to me in the terms of the election.

It matters not if I agree or disagree with them as I am not able to express my view through the ballot box.

The fact that they might enter into some form of coalition with Labour is again largely irrelevant as I cannot influence that decision.

As is often said in sport "your only concerns are those issues which you can affect yourself ".
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Might be irrelevant to you in terms of their policies but not necessarily to who ends up in Number 10. I suppose the LibDems are also irrelevant too, as are the Brexit Party...
 
Hobbit said:
Might be irrelevant to you in terms of their policies but not necessarily to who ends up in Number 10. I suppose the LibDems are also irrelevant too, as are the Brexit Party...
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In both cases I could, if I so desired, vote for those parties.

That is not a possibility open to me with the SNP.

I might not vote for Labour if I did not want the Scot Nats involved in a national coalition but that still doesn't mean that SNP policies have any real relevance to me as those policies are not aimed at me in the English Midlands.
 
pauldj42 said:
Wow tiger! You can’t have it both ways!
One of the issues that led to the Labour Party going back to its roots of the Union Support and more left leaning was the belief Blair etc had gone too far to the right, had lost touch with the working class and had failed to readdress the years of damage the tories had done and not reversed some of the anti-union legislation.
This has led to the rise in momentum and the more left wing politicians coming to prominence.
Now you have a Labour Party willing to address these issues and your still moaning as well as bringing the waspi women into it! ie, I’m alright jack!
Surely after all the years of frustration and moaning you should be rejoicing and voting Labour, because I’ll tell you what, you’ve no chance of the pension theft being corrected voting tory!
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How long have Labour been vocal in supporting the miner re there pension theft. Two weeks. Hmmmm, wonder why? A few Labour Mps in mining communities have been vocal for some time but mainly because they have had there ears bent by the miners. I have actively been following this on FB groups and thousands of miners have been disgusted by Labours inactivity to support the miners cause. So much so they have said they will not vote for them full stop. Two weeks ago BJ turned up in Mansfield and said that he will sort out the pension theft. Another lie? Time will tell. Within 24 hours, so will Labour. Smart. So who do i vote for. There is a real sense of rejection of Labour in Mansfield. Only tonight the local news ( East Midlands today) went to the streets were Boris went two weeks ago. Miners who were on strike and despise Thatcher are voting for Conservative. Two words why. Jeremy Corbyn.
So who do i believe, BJ or Jezza.
Re the waspi women. I feel for them coz i have been robbed for years. They will feel my pain and bitterness. There may be light at the end of the tunnel for me. But what about the thousands of miners who have died early through mining diseases. Bit late for them. Yes am moaning. because my and thousands of other plight is being addressed not because it is right, but because it buys votes, for both parties.
 
Tashyboy said:
How long have Labour been vocal in supporting the miner re there pension theft. Two weeks. Hmmmm, wonder why? A few Labour Mps in mining communities have been vocal for some time but mainly because they have had there ears bent by the miners. I have actively been following this on FB groups and thousands of miners have been disgusted by Labours inactivity to support the miners cause. So much so they have said they will not vote for them full stop. Two weeks ago BJ turned up in Mansfield and said that he will sort out the pension theft. Another lie? Time will tell. Within 24 hours, so will Labour. Smart. So who do i vote for. There is a real sense of rejection of Labour in Mansfield. Only tonight the local news ( East Midlands today) went to the streets were Boris went two weeks ago. Miners who were on strike and despise Thatcher are voting for Conservative. Two words why. Jeremy Corbyn.
So who do i believe, BJ or Jezza.
Re the waspi women. I feel for them coz i have been robbed for years. They will feel my pain and bitterness. There may be light at the end of the tunnel for me. But what about the thousands of miners who have died early through mining diseases. Bit late for them. Yes am moaning. because my and thousands of other plight is being addressed not because it is right, but because it buys votes, for both parties.
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So look past the leader and see what party is best for you, I can guarantee no tory has ever cared about the working class. And yes I totally agree with about the past, unfortunately that can’t be changed, but you can influence the future.
 
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