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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Tashyboy said:
As mentioned our beloved Shadow Home Secretary has spoken about wanting to get rid of MI5. And as much has been rightly said about Boris telling porkies in an interview. There is also a glowing concern as regards why a lot of Labours front bench are not giving interviews. Reasons/rumours range from front benchers being thick to not agreeing with Corbyns policies.
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tashy dear boy, please don't keep caller her "thick” its uncalled for esp from someone who can't go and buy a stamp without asking advice on here:ROFLMAO:
 
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Tashyboy said:
As mentioned our beloved Shadow Home Secretary has spoken about wanting to get rid of MI5. And as much has been rightly said about Boris telling porkies in an interview. There is also a glowing concern as regards why a lot of Labours front bench are not giving interviews. Reasons/rumours range from front benchers being thick to not agreeing with Corbyns policies.
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See #2581
 
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MetalMickie said:
Protected the interests of his friends within the international oil industry.
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Remember the commons also backed him ... they were not mislead either.
Robin Cook went against him, and that was accepted no one complained they had a say on the matter and they backed it up.
He was duped, and so were most of the Americans ..
 
patricks148 said:
so wasn't anything to do with the yanks?
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Are American companies and investors not involved in the oil industry?

Plus everything in the Middle East tends to be played out against the background of US foreign policy.
 
harpo_72 said:
Remember the commons also backed him ... they were not mislead either.
Robin Cook went against him, and that was accepted no one complained they had a say on the matter and they backed it up.
He was duped, and so were most of the Americans ..
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If you really believe he was duped rather than being instrumental in misleading you must believe that he was amongst the most incapable of Prime Ministers.
 
MetalMickie said:
If you really believe he was duped rather than being instrumental in misleading you must believe that he was amongst the most incapable of Prime Ministers.
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No I think he was very capable and we had a very good period under his leadership.
I just think we have glossed over the actions of Thatcher and if we are going to perpetually mention Blair and WMDs, then we have to revisit Thatcher and the Falkands .. which then makes it all very pointless to mention because they are both deemed to be bad.

In fact they don't really have any relevance on the future or the candidates standing now...
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Missed your request sorry,
It is freely available on the web, only takes a couple of clicks for you to find out.
Off the top of my head.

Corbyn says he will shut down MI5 [It was actually a McDonald ref]
Saying SNP have to join the Euro
20,000 additional policemen.
50,000 more Nurses.

There you go, two clicks and take your pick,:unsure:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=johnson's+four+lies+to+Marr&form=EDGSPH&mkt=en-gb&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&plvar=0&refig=f9eb11712e0d4ba7a5a841900c48551c&PC=HCTS&sp=-1&pq=johnson's+four+lies+to+marr&sc=0-27&qs=n&sk=&cvid=f9eb11712e0d4ba7a5a841900c48551c
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Just wanted to be sure, thanks for enlightening me!
 
harpo_72 said:
No I think he was very capable and we had a very good period under his leadership.
I just think we have glossed over the actions of Thatcher and if we are going to perpetually mention Blair and WMDs, then we have to revisit Thatcher and the Falkands .. which then makes it all very pointless to mention because they are both deemed to be bad.

In fact they don't really have any relevance on the future or the candidates standing now...
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The reference to Blair and the WMDs was in relation to a suggestion that misleading the public was a new phenomenon.

It also included references to other Prime Ministers.

As for Mr Blair I would argue that he was a consummate politician but if you are to claim that he was responsible for the so called good years under his watch then you would have to accept that he and Brown were culpable for the post 2008 recession.
 
patricks148 said:
tashy dear boy, please don't keep caller her "thick as pig ***" its uncalled for esp from someone who can't go and buy a stamp without asking advice on here:ROFLMAO:
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Who is her, or do you mean those as in more than one. Let me give you an example.

Jeremy Corbyn says that the 16 yr old ISIS girl that went out to Syria to help murder non believers like the toe rag on London Bridge. Was a 16 yr naive child that didn't know better. Now he is saying 16 yr olds are educated enough to vote. So which is it Patrick. Or who is it.
You know my problem Patrick. I am a floating voter. That means I can slag off the Labour Party and its thick as pig muck front benchers, and the Tory party and its Lying leaders. The problem is with that, I get complaints from both Tories and Labour loyalists ( and SNP DFT?, not leaving you out ). Your Labour, so have a go at Tory and Vica versa. The differance between Paul42, Socket etc etc is they post things that make me think about there parties, there comments stimulate. The price of stamps don't.
 
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MetalMickie said:
The reference to Blair and the WMDs was in relation to a suggestion that misleading the public was a new phenomenon.

It also included references to other Prime Ministers.

As for Mr Blair I would argue that he was a consummate politician but if you are to claim that he was responsible for the so called good years under his watch then you would have to accept that he and Brown were culpable for the post 2008 recession.
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Yep, they de-shackled the banks. The banks started buying toxic debt... pretty dumb stuff.
But don’t you ever ask the question, why they de-shackled the banks?
 
Moving statement/open letter to us all and to all politicians in the Guardian today from the father of Jack Merritt disowning from his son's memory so much that Johnson has said and that his party have done over the last ten years - and disowning especially those pushing a 'lock em up for ever' as part of a political agenda off the back of his son's death. I hope that there is reflection by politicians on the words of Jack Merritt's dad, and that the discussion of blame/what next is removed from the General Election debate. Necessary action can be taken by government in the background, and the next government can review policy. But not now in front of the media and the public. That can wait ten days.
 
MetalMickie said:
What is the raison d'etre of the SNP?

In national terms are they anything other than a single issue party?

Are they fielding candidates outside of Scotland?

If they achieve their objective then what relevance is Scotland to the rest of the UK?

Are we all to be given a vote if there should be a further referendum on Scottish independence?

Answer each of those questions before suggesting SNP are relevant to the vast majority of the electorate.
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In national terms they are the principal (not only) party whose success could lead to the break up of the union - that is why what the SNP say is relevant to the wider UK electorate. Were Labour and the Conservatives in Scotland not seen by many Scots as simply being subservient to the Westminster parties, then they could certainly defeat the SNP in Scotland and remove the risk of independence (for the time being). But as much of the Scottish electorate look at Westminster Labour and Conservative (especially) and want little or nothing to do with them or their policies, that is unlikely to happen. You cannot separate political discussion and decisions in and for Westminster, from the consequences those decisions could have upon the union.

So yes - from the other thread - Brexit - even a No Deal Brexit - might be what the rUK electorate decides through it's representation in Westminster - but the rUK electorate should choose that route knowing the benefits that Brexit will have for it - and consider and balance these benefits against the possible break up of the union and the chaos that could well ensue.
 
Tashyboy said:
Who is her, or do you mean those as in more than one. Let me give you an example.

Jeremy Corbyn says that the 16 yr old ISIS girl that went out to Syria to help murder non believers like the toe rag on London Bridge. Was a 16 yr naive child that didn't know better. Now he is saying 16 yr olds are educated enough to vote. So which is it Patrick. Or who is it.
You know my problem Patrick. I am a floating voter. That means I can slag off the Labour Party and its thick as pig muck front benchers, and the Tory party and its Lying leaders. The problem is with that, I get complaints from both Tories and Labour loyalists ( and SNP DFT?, not leaving you out ). Your Labour, so have a go at Tory and Vica versa. The differance between Paul42, Socket etc etc is they post things that make me think about there parties, there comments stimulate. The price of stamps don't.
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Tashy dear boy you shouldn't always believe what you read... ;)
i don't have a problem with you slagging off who ever, i don't think its far to call anyone thick when they are cleary not;)

can't really direct you to anything from my party.... they are an irrenavance and you can't vote for them anyway:ROFLMAO:
 
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