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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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SocketRocket said:
Where I disagree with you is that Imo Brexit has been frustrated by Parliament, not the Torys, not Labour, Not the SNP or Libdems but all of them, they have cheated us out of the pledge they made and its disgusting. Yes many of the people responsible are Torys but its blinkered to only blame them.
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We will just have to be gentlemanly about it and agree to disagree 👍...
 
As reported on the Beeb's website;

"The Conservative Party spokesman has made a bit of a slip-up though, calling on people to vote for Boris Johnson on 13 December (the election is on 12 December, folks)."

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PNWokingham said:
Please vote for me, I am nice ans Labour and will do good things locally even though my party are shiite!!! :eek::eek::poop:

Labour candidate says her party does not deserve the support of voters
Carolann Davidson, who is standing for Labour is East Renfrewshire, said her party "has totally failed from the leadership down" to deal with anti-Semitism.
Speaking at a hustings event last night Ms Davidson said she was not going to ask those gathered to vote for her "because we don’t deserve it".
"Labour has totally failed, from the leadership down, about anti-Semitism," she said.
So I’m not here asking for your vote, so you’ll say why are you here as a Labour candidate?​
I want to reassure you as a community that there are still people within the Labour party who are not willing to surrender the party, that was once the strongest ally of the Jewish Community, to racists and conspiracy theorists.​
I can’t defend the indefensible. What I can do is tell you who I am and what I stand for.​
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Not too surprising this comment once you understand the constituency, since East Renfrewshire has probably the largest Jewish community in Scotland. In fact when I was in primary school all of my best friends immediate to where I lived were Jewish, and when in secondary most of my local friends (outside of church) were Jewish. Indeed for the worst of reasons the Glasgow Jewish community were rather forced to set up their own golf club in the constituency - Bonnyton (it isn't so these days and is a really nice moorland track with fabulous views over Glasgow and to the hills and mountains north of Glasgow). The one resentment I held against my Jewish chums? Well they got more holidays than we did :)

So yes - if she wants to get any vote from the Jewish community she has little choice but to go down the route she has.
 
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Hobbit said:
I'm genuinely interested in this. How about doing it in small bites. Maybe start with the £58bn to the WASPI's that Corbyn struggled with in the Andrew Neil interview. You, me and even the ship's cat knows it isn't costed. How about not doing the politician thing and admitting it isn't costed? If you want some help have a look at Corbyn's answers to Neil - you can see it on YouTube.

That aside, I agree with him. It should be paid... but where's the money coming from. Having the right social policies and funding them are two different things.
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The neat trick (or is it a cheap trick) that the Tories are trying to pull over Brexit is refusing to provide any form of detailed economic or analysis of Johnson 'Deal'. This enables them to say whatever they like at the moment because 'nobody knows' - not even our Chancellor - for whom the economic benefits are self-evident apparently. But wait - seems that we are being promised in the next couple of days 'economic information' about a Trade Deal Johnson would strike in the coming year - but still no impact assessment of leaving on the terms of Johnson's WA. Whatever. I suppose he has to do something.

And back at the DomCumm cunning ranch - social care? Bit difficult and expensive lads and lassies, so let's not bother with any substantive or costed proposals for a long-term strategy - instead let's avoid the 10s of billions stuff - and hide behind a statement wishing the next parliament to reach a cross-party consensus. Meanwhile we'll chuck in a single billion quid - a billion sounds a lot to the unwashed but we know that in the great scheme of things it's a raindrop in a thunderstorm - but might act as a bit of a sticking plaster and we can say that we are addressing the issue.
 
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Interesting vote today in the EU.

12 countries voted against forcing the issue on tax avoidance by the big multi-nationals. The very law that so many have said the Tories are against because of all their billionaire offshore friends. Germany abstained. The UK didn't vote because it is in the run-in to the election.

And one of the very biggest supporters of bringing this law..............the UK govt.

But surely the Tories are against this.... apparently not....

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As you can't privatise or make money out of selling climate change then it is not worth discussing and definitely not something important to consider in the forthcoming election.

Also it's probably not real anyway and Swampy Thunberg is obviously being manipulated by George Soros. Much like the British electorate who are being manipulated and lied to on daily basis just by labour. #factcheck
 
I always thought of Johnson as some strange man/child throwback.
Now I think he is more child/man throwback.
Runs away when threatened and then gets his father to fight his case.
This abhoration is actually in charge of our armed forces.:(
 
Hacker Khan said:
As you can't privatise or make money out of selling climate change then it is not worth discussing and definitely not something important to consider in the forthcoming election.

Also it's probably not real anyway and Swampy Thunberg is obviously being manipulated by George Soros. Much like the British electorate who are being manipulated and lied to on daily basis just by labour. #factcheck
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You are correct, how exactly do you privatise or sell climate change?
I've #Twazzockchecked this and found it complete Twaddle.
News update, Swampy Thunsburg says 'hello sailor and is near us to be free.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
I always thought of Johnson as some strange man/child throwback.
Now I think he is more child/man throwback.
Runs away when threatened and then gets his father to fight his case.
This abhoration is actually in charge of our armed forces.:(
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Funny that, I always saw you as some kind of man/troll throwback.
 
Johnson finding time to be interviewed on LBC for an hour this morning from 9am by the Tory and Brexit-friendly Nick Ferrari and his listeners. Don’t know if I’ll be able to make it but Ferrari can sometimes be pretty pushy. Though whether he’ll be able to stop Johnson answering every question with ‘we need to get brexit done’

Having to laugh at Gove seeming to demand getting onto the debate last night by claiming that the ‘A’ in ‘A Leaders Debate’ means ‘A’ Leader - not ‘THE’ Leader. I think it actually prepositions ‘Leaders Debate’ not ‘Leaders’
 
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Hobbit said:
Interesting vote today in the EU.

12 countries voted against forcing the issue on tax avoidance by the big multi-nationals. The very law that so many have said the Tories are against because of all their billionaire offshore friends. Germany abstained. The UK didn't vote because it is in the run-in to the election.

And one of the very biggest supporters of bringing this law..............the UK govt.

But surely the Tories are against this.... apparently not....

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Why give the game away ? They want to leave and if we do this is irrelevant. They are just playing.
 
Shamelessly stolen from another site but it seems pretty accurate..............


Walking down the street, a Member of Parliament is hit by a lorry and dies. His soul arrives in Heaven and is met by St. Peter. He says, "

'Welcome to heaven. Before you settle in, it seems there's a problem. We seldom see anyone in such a high office around here, so we're not sure what to do with you.'

'Just let me in,' says the politician.

'Well, I'd like to but I have instructions from above. You'll have to spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven, then you can choose where to spend eternity.'
'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven,' says the MP.
'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.' replies St Peter
With that, St. Peter escorts him to the lift and he went down, down, down to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and dressed in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne. Also present is the Devil, a very nice, friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They're having such a good time that before he realises, it's time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and wave as the lift rises....

The door opens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. 'Now it's time to show you around Heaven.'
So, 24 hours pass with the MP joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing harps and singing. They have a good time and, before he realises it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns. 'Well, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity.'
The MP reflects for a minute, then answers: 'Well, I would never have thought it before, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell.' So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down down to Hell.
When the doors open he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and refuse.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the rubbish and putting it in black bags as more garbage falls from above.
The Devil comes over and puts his arm around his shoulder.

'I don't understand,' stammers the MP, 'yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?'

The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning...............Today you voted'
 
jp5 said:
Honestly the behaviour of the Tories lately is pretty concerning, straight out of the Trump playbook. Sadly a lot of people will think they are on their side.
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They are playing their trump card and using the media to influence people.

QT last night had a lady ask why should JC say sorry again and again about the antisemitism when he apologised in 2008. It does seem this is the achilles heal of the Labour Party. However when you boil it down, comments about Israel's Government and the proactive land grab taking place in the Gaza strip, are not antisemitic and should not be included in the complaints. To say that they are is deeply insulting to the Jewish community who have connections to the holocaust.
The fact that the Tories are not speaking about these activities is far more worrying, as they are showing support for ultra right wing governments .. yeah it does transcend religion.

But if you read the Daily Mail, Express etc .. you will think that he has set about being an antisemitic and has plans to make ghettos etc .. which is utter rubbish, fabricated by those who proactively avoid tax.

The problem is no one is prepared to ask is the data I have reliable .. is the source of that data clean ? In this election there are very few clean sources, the TV interviews are possibly the only ones with the capability to be clean. However they have not really got all the information and some people are proactively avoiding doing them ..
 
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