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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Honestly the behaviour of the Tories lately is pretty concerning, straight out of the Trump playbook. Sadly a lot of people will think they are on their side.
I noticed they trotted out Gavin Williamson on BBC this morning... wasn't he they guy sack as CM for leaking details of national security council meeting?
 
They are playing their trump card and using the media to influence people.

QT last night had a lady ask why should JC say sorry again and again about the antisemitism when he apologised in 2008. It does seem this is the achilles heal of the Labour Party. However when you boil it down, comments about Israel's Government and the proactive land grab taking place in the Gaza strip, are not antisemitic and should not be included in the complaints. To say that they are is deeply insulting to the Jewish community who have connections to the holocaust.
The fact that the Tories are not speaking about these activities is far more worrying, as they are showing support for ultra right wing governments .. yeah it does transcend religion.

But if you read the Daily Mail, Express etc .. you will think that he has set about being an antisemitic and has plans to make ghettos etc .. which is utter rubbish, fabricated by those who proactively avoid tax.

The problem is no one is prepared to ask is the data I have reliable .. is the source of that data clean ? In this election there are very few clean sources, the TV interviews are possibly the only ones with the capability to be clean. However they have not really got all the information and some people are proactively avoiding doing them ..
as i said before the bulk of the 65 complaints are related to Israel and its PM... and by definition an attack on Israel is antisemitism. but that doesn't appear to bother those who wish to highlight it
 
The KGB are sounding pretty desperate on here this morning, plenty of bile and mouth frothing, could it be theres something spooking them. Calm down boys the Sun still came up this morning 🙃
 
They are playing their trump card and using the media to influence people.

QT last night had a lady ask why should JC say sorry again and again about the antisemitism when he apologised in 2008. It does seem this is the achilles heal of the Labour Party. However when you boil it down, comments about Israel's Government and the proactive land grab taking place in the Gaza strip, are not antisemitic and should not be included in the complaints. To say that they are is deeply insulting to the Jewish community who have connections to the holocaust.
The fact that the Tories are not speaking about these activities is far more worrying, as they are showing support for ultra right wing governments .. yeah it does transcend religion.

But if you read the Daily Mail, Express etc .. you will think that he has set about being an antisemitic and has plans to make ghettos etc .. which is utter rubbish, fabricated by those who proactively avoid tax.

The problem is no one is prepared to ask is the data I have reliable .. is the source of that data clean ? In this election there are very few clean sources, the TV interviews are possibly the only ones with the capability to be clean. However they have not really got all the information and some people are proactively avoiding doing them ..

I watched QT last night and thought the black woman who rambled on about Corbyn and his non supporters well rambled. Corbyn apologised in 2008, Eh. What was the question in 2008. The party has got worse. He had a chance to apologise and he decided not to. Others did, why couldn't he. A line could of been drawn in the sand. She then went onto to say Corbyn sits on the front bench with two black women. What has that to do with anti semitism and one of those women is Diane Abacus. I would hardly brag about that.
That aside, as this election rumbles on it endorses to me that every leader of every party is incompetent.
 
I watched QT last night and thought the black woman who rambled on about Corbyn and his non supporters well rambled. Corbyn apologised in 2008, Eh. What was the question in 2008. The party has got worse. He had a chance to apologise and he decided not to. Others did, why couldn't he. A line could of been drawn in the sand. She then went onto to say Corbyn sits on the front bench with two black women. What has that to do with anti semitism and one of those women is Diane Abacus. I would hardly brag about that.
That aside, as this election rumbles on it endorses to me that every leader of every party is incompetent.
She got mixed up, he apologised in 2017.
She was also talking about him not being a racist!
What are you saying about DA, is she somehow less of a woman or something, petty derogatory remark there.
 
Johnson being asked how many trade deals are 'ready-to-go' - or how many are in 'discussion in progress' - he hasn't got a clue. Sticks a finger in the air and says 12 - then asked to name four of that dozen - nope - not a clue.

And how long will it take to agree the deal with the EU? He has no reason to believe it can't be done next year. Well there are plenty of reasons...for a start - nothwithstanding that we are starting from a different position (though whether than makes much difference I just do not know) nobody has agreed a trade deal with the EU in 11months. And I'm guessing it would have to be done in less than 11 months to get EU27 review and approval.

Just listening to Johnson - I despair...
 
She got mixed up, he apologised in 2017.
She was also talking about him not being a racist!
What are you saying about DA, is she somehow less of a woman or something, petty derogatory remark there.

It's kind of a thing with some people in that they have to constantly refer to Diane Abbott. Although there have been clear instances much more recently by others recently where they screwed up their maths in a high pressure interview situation. But of course for whatever reason is seems at times only Diane Abbott has done that.
 
It's kind of a thing with some people in that they have to constantly refer to Diane Abbott. Although there have been clear instances much more recently by others recently where they screwed up their maths in a high pressure interview situation. But of course for whatever reason is seems at times only Diane Abbott has done that.
Wasn’t on about the Abacus remark, that’s water off a ducks back, what is he insinuating by the comment “I would hardly brag about that” maybe he needs to educate himself on her record rather than believe everything he reads in the paper.
 
They are playing their trump card and using the media to influence people.

QT last night had a lady ask why should JC say sorry again and again about the antisemitism when he apologised in 2008. It does seem this is the achilles heal of the Labour Party. However when you boil it down, comments about Israel's Government and the proactive land grab taking place in the Gaza strip, are not antisemitic and should not be included in the complaints. To say that they are is deeply insulting to the Jewish community who have connections to the holocaust.
The fact that the Tories are not speaking about these activities is far more worrying, as they are showing support for ultra right wing governments .. yeah it does transcend religion.

But if you read the Daily Mail, Express etc .. you will think that he has set about being an antisemitic and has plans to make ghettos etc .. which is utter rubbish, fabricated by those who proactively avoid tax.

The problem is no one is prepared to ask is the data I have reliable .. is the source of that data clean ? In this election there are very few clean sources, the TV interviews are possibly the only ones with the capability to be clean. However they have not really got all the information and some people are proactively avoiding doing them ..
Have a look at Hungary and their PM Victor Orban, completely anti jewish and see who is the only Government to back him in Europe or who voted against the EU bill to sanction him.
 
Social Care - Johnson promises that no-one will have to sell their home to pay for their care. How much will that cost? It will be affordable says he. How much? He has no idea...

Apprentices - promising loads more apprenticeships but no idea of the commitment from companies out there to provide these apprenticeships.

Empty promise after empty promise from the charlatan who will be our next prime minister

And of course sounding a little embarrassed in his dismissing/avoiding answering the question 'where is Moggie?' :)

Jeez. Sadly - desperate stuff from him

Charlatan: a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill.
 
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Also just as an aside, the Tories, as have just about every other party, are pledging to throw billions at education after many years of under funding and giving the impression that will magically solve everything as that's how things work apparently, you just throw money at it. But this announcement came out yesterday that curiously was not in the Tory manifesto https://schoolsweek.co.uk/johnson-pledges-no-notice-ofsted-inspections/

And I can pretty much guarantee that, although you can throw as much money as you want at education, suggesting 3 day and no notice inspections will do absolutely nothing for morale in the profession and will just drive more teachers away. This claim that this no notice means that you can see the 'true reflection' is absolute garbage as the way inspections are currently carried out under the Ofsted framework means that is it extremely difficult to hide anything from Ofsted, and having half a days less will make no difference. Just worth considering if education is important to anyone in a couple of weeks.
 
And how long will it take to agree the deal with the EU? He has no reason to believe it can't be done next year. Well there are plenty of reasons...for a start - nothwithstanding that we are starting from a different position (though whether than makes much difference I just do not know) nobody has agreed a trade deal with the EU in 11months. And I'm guessing it would have to be done in less than 11 months to get EU27 review and approval.

Forcing a short time to agree a deal will concentrate minds. The EU know that we can leave with no deal if Boris has a working majority and he wont be afraid to do that. If it looks like a sensible deal is being negotiated then no one will mind the talks taking enough time to cross the t' and dot the I's. If it's, say, a Canada ++ agreement, or another package, already of it's kind, then sorting out the variations shouldn't take too long.
 
Johnson being asked how many trade deals are 'ready-to-go' - or how many are in 'discussion in progress' - he hasn't got a clue. Sticks a finger in the air and says 12 - then asked to name four of that dozen - nope - not a clue.

And how long will it take to agree the deal with the EU? He has no reason to believe it can't be done next year. Well there are plenty of reasons...for a start - nothwithstanding that we are starting from a different position (though whether than makes much difference I just do not know) nobody has agreed a trade deal with the EU in 11months. And I'm guessing it would have to be done in less than 11 months to get EU27 review and approval.
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The deadline is really the end of June. Under the agreement that Theresa May got the UK has to request an extension to the transition period by 1st July at the latest. If we haven't got anything agreed by that date (or have something in place that looks like it could be agreed fairly quickly after that) then we'd either need to ask for the extension, which the Conservatives have said won't happen, or risk leaving with No Deal at the end of 2020.
 
Interesting vote today in the EU.

12 countries voted against forcing the issue on tax avoidance by the big multi-nationals. The very law that so many have said the Tories are against because of all their billionaire offshore friends. Germany abstained. The UK didn't vote because it is in the run-in to the election.

And one of the very biggest supporters of bringing this law..............the UK govt.

But surely the Tories are against this.... apparently not....

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not the current Uk Gov though was it?
 
I liked the comment:

Interviewer: Right, lets talk about the ecconomy.

Sturgeon: Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland,Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, Scotland.

what do you expect her to talk about she's the first minister of that country?
 
The deadline is really the end of June. Under the agreement that Theresa May got the UK has to request an extension to the transition period by 1st July at the latest. If we haven't got anything agreed by that date (or have something in place that looks like it could be agreed fairly quickly after that) then we'd either need to ask for the extension, which the Conservatives have said won't happen, or risk leaving with No Deal at the end of 2020.
At what risk to the economy and tory manifesto pledges?
 
At what risk to the economy and tory manifesto pledges?

I've no idea, but I suspect that it won't be great. Personally I don't think it would be the catastrophe that some on the Remain side are claiming but equally I don't believe it will be as easy as some Leavers claim. It's just a question of where in between the two extremes we end up. But then again it's not like the Conservatives, and Boris in particular, don't have previous form for saying something definitely will happen and then it not happening so hopefully an extension will be requested if we aren't close to getting something agreed before the deadline.
 
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