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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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ColchesterFC said:
I've no idea, but I suspect that it won't be great. Personally I don't think it would be the catastrophe that some on the Remain side are claiming but equally I don't believe it will be as easy as some Leavers claim. It's just a question of where in between the two extremes we end up. But then again it's not like the Conservatives, and Boris in particular, don't have previous form for saying something definitely will happen and then it not happening so hopefully an extension will be requested if we aren't close to getting something agreed before the deadline.
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SMMT Concerns? All just Project Fear of course - won't happen...we'd hope. but what the heck - we'll have taken back control...of something

SMMT comment: Europe’s leading automotive representatives warn of catastrophic consequences of a ‘no deal’ Brexit
Mike Hawes, SMMT Chief Executive, said,

European Automotive is deeply integrated and the benefits of free and frictionless trade have helped our sector become one of Europe’s most valuable assets, delivering billions to economies and supporting millions of livelihoods across the EU.

A ‘no deal’ Brexit would have an immediate and devastating impact on the industry, undermining competitiveness and causing irreversible and severe damage. UK and EU negotiators have a responsibility to work together to agree a deal or risk destroying this vital pillar of our economies.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/
 
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pauldj42 said:
Very sad to watch and listen to.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1200133994748293126
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There was another report that popped up a few days ago about living in poverty but having a job.
I am not a heartless man, and don't get the wrong impression here but my wife and I looked at each other and we just said " you, love, need to learn about budgeting and being honest with what you can and cannot afford".
Although I don't think it's fair to cast an overall view on a group of people when presented by a single set of data.
The reporter really should have put a few families together and shown the impact across a more varied range, so that my wife and I could not pass such a damning judgement
Perhaps some good old schooling in how to run a budget would be helpful and to learn about reliable sources of income (of which benefits is not one!) and who the rip off merchants are.
 
harpo_72 said:
There was another report that popped up a few days ago about living in poverty but having a job.
I am not a heartless man, and don't get the wrong impression here but my wife and I looked at each other and we just said " you, love, need to learn about budgeting and being honest with what you can and cannot afford".
Although I don't think it's fair to cast an overall view on a group of people when presented by a single set of data.
The reporter really should have put a few families together and shown the impact across a more varied range, so that my wife and I could not pass such a damning judgement
Perhaps some good old schooling in how to run a budget would be helpful and to learn about reliable sources of income (of which benefits is not one!) and who the rip off merchants are.
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No doubt mate, no one can claim all poor can be helped the same as all the rich don’t care, even with the homeless there are those that choose to live on the streets etc.
Sadly it seems everyone is lumped together as seen by the attitude towards foodbanks by some on here.
 
pauldj42 said:
Wasn’t on about the Abacus remark, that’s water off a ducks back, what is he insinuating by the comment “I would hardly brag about that” maybe he needs to educate himself on her record rather than believe everything he reads in the paper.
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And so when Johnson said last week (maybe even repeated it today on the call) that residents of South Yorkshire who suffered badly from the flooding were getting £5000 each, when Doncaster Council are telling us that it is £500 - as indeed what was originally announced. Does he know the difference between £5000 and £500? Did he misspeak - or did he deliberately mislead? Because we know how the £350m/week on the side if a bus was misleading, but we also know that the figure got stuck in the consciousness of many voters who voted to leave (according to Dominic Cumming).

And so some voters will have the figure of £5000 in their head and will be thinking that that is indicative of Johnson understanding, and doing his utmost to meet, the resident's need.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And so when Johnson said last week that residents of South Yorkshire who suffered badly from the flooding were getting £5000 each, when Doncaster Council are telling us that it is £500 - as indeed what was originally announced. Does he know the difference between £5000 and £500? Did he misspeak - or did he deliberately mislead? Because we know how the £350m/week on the side if a bus was misleading, but we also know that the figure got stuck in the consciousness of many voters who voted to leave (according to Dominic Cumming).

And so some voters will have the figure of £5000 in their head and will be thinking that that is indicative of Johnson understanding, and doing his utmost to meet, the resident's need.
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If Boris and the Torys were smart about this they could make a lot of political capital out of it. If Boris were to say, "Look I said £5000 per household but actually should have said £500. However, that was my mistake and we are willing to honour the £5000 I promised". In the grand scheme of government spending it would be a drop in the ocean and lots of people would suddenly be thinking that Boris is actually OK and he gets a boost from it. Although with the number of times he gets things wrong it could end up being an expensive policy going forward.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Wow. That shows some attitude.
Johnson is avoiding all debates because the interviewer only has to keep asking about his figures on Nurses and police numbers.
They are indefensible, as his lacky found out on QT last night. People just laugh at you.
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Well looks like he has undone all the PR work of the last few years to portray him as gentle old duffer... shown his true colours there
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
SMMT Concerns? All just Project Fear of course - won't happen...we'd hope. but what the heck - we'll have taken back control...of something

SMMT comment: Europe’s leading automotive representatives warn of catastrophic consequences of a ‘no deal’ Brexit
Mike Hawes, SMMT Chief Executive, said,

European Automotive is deeply integrated and the benefits of free and frictionless trade have helped our sector become one of Europe’s most valuable assets, delivering billions to economies and supporting millions of livelihoods across the EU.

A ‘no deal’ Brexit would have an immediate and devastating impact on the industry, undermining competitiveness and causing irreversible and severe damage. UK and EU negotiators have a responsibility to work together to agree a deal or risk destroying this vital pillar of our economies.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/
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You keep bemoaning the UK and ignoring what is happening to trade, automation and consumption across the globe - there is over capacity in most manufacturing sectors. In automotive its compounded by the eletrification of the drive-train. Mercedes are shedding over 10,000 staff worldwide.
 
drdel said:
You keep bemoaning the UK and ignoring what is happening to trade, automation and consumption across the globe - there is over capacity in most manufacturing sectors. In automotive its compounded by the eletrification of the drive-train. Mercedes are shedding over 10,000 staff worldwide.
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I am not bemoaning or ignoring anything. I am simply quoting what the CEO of the SMMT thinks will be the impact of leaving the EU with no deal. I am sure that the CEO knows as much as you do about the impact of over-capacity in manufacturing and changes in technology - but what the CEO is taking about here is leaving the EU without a deal. Go argue with him.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Johnson being asked how many trade deals are 'ready-to-go' - or how many are in 'discussion in progress' - he hasn't got a clue. Sticks a finger in the air and says 12 - then asked to name four of that dozen - nope - not a clue.

And how long will it take to agree the deal with the EU? He has no reason to believe it can't be done next year. Well there are plenty of reasons...for a start - nothwithstanding that we are starting from a different position (though whether than makes much difference I just do not know) nobody has agreed a trade deal with the EU in 11months. And I'm guessing it would have to be done in less than 11 months to get EU27 review and approval.

Just listening to Johnson - I despair...
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? We are starting from a differnt position?? We are starting from total regulatory alignment and the issues will be where we diverge and where we tweak and where we keep the same. That is a lot easier than starting from 2 different positions on every topic and then having to end up with a third one. We can add to the mix the Canada agreement as an example on each area about what is possible. If there is a will this could be done but i am sure it will be very tough and there is a good chance of an exyension if Boris backs down a bit or, possibly more likely, he will force the issue and WTO here we come. i hope they are sensible and agree a deal as the EU has a huge surplus and would be crazy to be too aggressive to Johnson if he has a decent majority
 
pauldj42 said:
Far better than the blinkered right wing tory/ukip/bnp boys.(y)
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For whom the Boris Johnson interview on LBC this morning should be required viewing or listening - and those who eulogise Johnson should feel embarrassed by their leader/hero...

We should not forget that Ferrari is massively pro-Tory and pro-Brexit. I suggest that there is now not a chance that Johnson's handlers will allow him to being ruthlessly exposed by Andrew Neil.
 
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