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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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robinthehood said:
Google it and stop asking to be spoon fed info, it's just looks childish.
There is nothing to prove wrong , its just a total non story seized upon and fed to gullible types who lap it up and share it with out second thought to it's actual authenticity.
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I did, are you suggesting the BBC is spreading false news. Feel free to throw petty insults but I suggest you get your facts right or prove the BBC wrong.
 
pauldj42 said:
Do I really think Diane Abbott has been receiving unfair criticism? Or is it more the fact when people mention boris’s lies we get all sorts of responses deflecting that all politicians lie and boris hasn’t lied, it’s lazy posting etc etc.
I’m simply questioning why some posters don’t apply the same standard to other politicians.
ChrisD came on and discussed my post, didn’t try to be clever or question me, simple discussion, quite a few on here could learn from him.
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You were the one that suggested that "the silence was deafening" over criticism of Abbott. I was pulled up earlier today by SR for calling Boris a liar so I don't know why you are directing that at me. By many accounts Diane Abbott is a very good constituency MP who has done a lot of good work locally. Equally she has made some high profile gaffes that are amusing and deserve a bit of piss taking.
 
pauldj42 said:
You know my feelings on Corbyn, I’m just putting another side to it, not everything we read in the media is fact.
The meetings with Adams and McGuinness were nearly 30-40 years ago when we didn’t know as much as we do now, I struggle to get past how he behaved in the past, just as much as I struggle with some of the things Abbott has said over the past.
I just believe it’s time to move on and judge people on recent and current events.
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I think Corbyn social conscience is up there with the best. And I believe he wants to make those improvements in social care. Hell, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat if he didn't have such a long and checkered history. Misguided in his meetings with terror groups? Maybe he was/is but its someone's CV that gets them the job, and his CV stinks.

"Recent and current events;" Do you believe Corbyn doesn't receive regular briefings on the ongoing antisemitic investigations and claims? Do you believe he isn't armed with answers to those questions? He lied last night. Is that recent enough?
 
ColchesterFC said:
You were the one that suggested that "the silence was deafening" over criticism of Abbott. I was pulled up earlier today by SR for calling Boris a liar so I don't know why you are directing that at me. By many accounts Diane Abbott is a very good constituency MP who has done a lot of good work locally. Equally she has made some high profile gaffes that are amusing and deserve a bit of piss taking.
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I suggested the holier than thou boris defenders are quiet when it comes to Abbott, they’re happy to ask for proof, make excuses, but only for boris.
If she’s fair game then so is he.
My posts were not aimed at you until you questioned me.
 
Hobbit said:
I think Corbyn social conscience is up there with the best. And I believe he wants to make those improvements in social care. Hell, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat if he didn't have such a long and checkered history. Misguided in his meetings with terror groups? Maybe he was/is but its someone's CV that gets them the job, and his CV stinks.

"Recent and current events;" Do you believe Corbyn doesn't receive regular briefings on the ongoing antisemitic investigations and claims? Do you believe he isn't armed with answers to those questions? He lied last night. Is that recent enough?
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This will come across in the wrong way as I’m crap with words:
I watched the debate last night and took a lot of things both said with a pinch of salt.
I’ve read the counter claim by the Labour councillor and that’s it, one counter claim by a Labour councillor that has history of being a Corbyn critic.
Did Corbyn lie? Based on what I’ve read today, I genuinely don’t know, there seems to be more counter claims against the councillor.
If in coming days it’s proved Corbyn lied then I fully agree he should be nailed to the fence to explain.
I don’t know if you’ve seen anything different as you’ve decided he lied, I haven’t, I’m comfortable on the fence.
 
pauldj42 said:
I suggested the holier than thou boris defenders are quiet when it comes to Abbott, they’re happy to ask for proof, make excuses, but only for boris.
If she’s fair game then so is he.
My posts were not aimed at you until you questioned me.
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I think the majority of us have agreed that BJ tells porkies but it is strange that some seem to think that it's ok for the other leaders to tell porkies and their porkies aren't as big as BJs. These are people that want to hold senior positions in the country, it should be unacceptable for any politician to lie.
 
pauldj42 said:
I suggested the holier than thou boris defenders are quiet when it comes to Abbott, they’re happy to ask for proof, make excuses, but only for boris.
If she’s fair game then so is he.
My posts were not aimed at you until you questioned me.
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I'm certainly not one of the "holier than thou boris defenders". I think he's a liar, a clown and a buffoon and I've never pulled up anyone for their criticism of him. And the only reason that I would consider voting for him/the Tories is because in my opinion the alternatives are worse. If only the Lib Dems had stood on a manifesto of opposing Brexit and offering a 2nd referendum rather than revoking Article 50 then I could have voted for them. Or if Labour were closer to the centre-left than they are rather than far left/momentum-left and had a decent leader then I could have considered voting for them.
 
Old Skier said:
I think the majority of us have agreed that BJ tells porkies but it is strange that some seem to think that it's ok for the other leaders to tell porkies and their porkies aren't as big as BJs. These are people that want to hold senior positions in the country, it should be unacceptable for any politician to lie.
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Totally agree, but boris is beyond porkies mate, he’s been sacked twice and continues to be hounded by scandal.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695.amp
 
Old Skier said:
And he also doesn't have the ability to listen and think before he opens his mouth which is why he says what he does. Always been the same and you have to wonder why he is where he is. Tory own goal which now makes it 1-1 with Labour.
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Do you remember when Corbyn was elected how funny the tories found it?
Joined the Labour Party for a tenner so they could vote for him.
Hopefully those who did still find it as funny.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You've got one.

How about we will be leaving on 31st October 'I'd be dead in a ditch' - no ifs not buts. He knew that he couldn't guarantee that - but he still insisted on saying it when Hunt and such as Stewart were saying to his face that he couldn't guarantee it, and whenever he was subsequently pressed on it.
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It has rightly been pointed out to you a number of times that the reason he couldn't leave on 31 October was the Benn Bill. If that had not been passed he would have either
1. got a deal and left, or
2 Not got a deal and left.

The Benn bill ,instigated by the remainders and labour together ,ensured that if he had done #2 it would have made him a criminal. So he was not able to pursue that objective of leaving.
You keep on having the cheek to call him out a liar on that situation and wonder why people call you a hypocrite for doing so, a man who pleads allegiance to Christian religion.
You know, we all know, that he was indulging in hyperbole, as all politicians do when saying what they want to achieve- how would "dying in a ditch" be otherwise described by any fair minded person?
You claim to know someone who has long since been dead who also used hyperbole, IIRC, when he said that faith could move mountains. No one took that literally, but they did realise the emphasis he was making.
 
pauldj42 said:
Totally agree, but boris is beyond porkies mate, he’s been sacked twice and continues to be hounded by scandal.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695.amp
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So you want to forget Corbyn's past but bring up Johnson's past? Mmm, does that sound fair and equitable?

pauldj42 said:
This will come across in the wrong way as I’m crap with words:
I watched the debate last night and took a lot of things both said with a pinch of salt.
I’ve read the counter claim by the Labour councillor and that’s it, one counter claim by a Labour councillor that has history of being a Corbyn critic.
Did Corbyn lie? Based on what I’ve read today, I genuinely don’t know, there seems to be more counter claims against the councillor.
If in coming days it’s proved Corbyn lied then I fully agree he should be nailed to the fence to explain.
I don’t know if you’ve seen anything different as you’ve decided he lied, I haven’t, I’m comfortable on the fence.
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Jennie Formby, the name I couldn't remember, Labour General Secretary briefed Corbyn that all the antisemite cases had been resolved. Google her and look at her involvement.

Last Tuesday the Jewish Labour Movement submitted hundreds of unresolved cases to the Equalities Commission who, along with the Met Police, are currently investigating Labour. Do you think the JLM would risk submitting hundreds of false claims to the Equalities Commission? Would anyone be that stupid?

BTW, being a critic of Corbyn doesn't make the councillor wrong. He may be but maybe he isn't. And I'd expect Labour to dig the dirt on him, just as I'd expect any party to do so. Just hope he hasn't got the Brown Shirts (Momentum) banging on his door.
 
Changing the subject altogether, I thought the Lib Dem manifesto wasn’t a bad effort. Some quite enticing proposals.
Although their leader doesn’t have such a diverse portfolio with respect to lying 🤥.. I am sure more time in office will give her the opportunity.
I was still confused though what I was going to spend my extra £2/ week on or the £500 /year was going to exist.
Ah I suppose it’s like the bus, so I won’t hold my breath 😐
 
pauldj42 said:
Do you remember when Corbyn was elected how funny the tories found it?
Joined the Labour Party for a tenner so they could vote for him.
Hopefully those who did still find it as funny.
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If that is true then it’s worked beyond their wildest dreams! Do you not think if Labour had a different leader they would already be in government by now? I certainly do.
Boris is very similar to Trump but not in the ways some on here think, you look at him and think “there is no way I’m voting for that twat”... then you look at the opposition and think “oh christ!” And put your cross next to his name. That’s how Trump got in, fear of Hilary.
 
pauldj42 said:
Do I really think Diane Abbott has been receiving unfair criticism? Or is it more the fact when people mention boris’s lies we get all sorts of responses deflecting that all politicians lie and boris hasn’t lied, it’s lazy posting etc etc.
I’m simply questioning why some posters don’t apply the same standard to other politicians.
ChrisD came on and discussed my post, didn’t try to be clever or question me, simple discussion, quite a few on here could learn from him.
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Re: the bold bit. My point is that to label anyone a Liar is a very powerful accusation and one used too often without full consideration of the facts. I dont label people Liars as it is Lazy and used in many cases to support a persons personal agenda.
 
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Fade and Die said:
If that is true then it’s worked beyond their wildest dreams! Do you not think if Labour had a different leader they would already be in government by now? I certainly do.
Boris is very similar to Trump but not in the ways some on here think, you look at him and think “there is no way I’m voting for that twat”... then you look at the opposition and think “oh christ!” And put your cross next to his name. That’s how Trump got in, fear of Hilary.
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There's the thing... Only a small number of the electorate get to pick the occupant of No 10... The rest of us only get the chance to indicate who we feel best to represent our constituency...
 
SocketRocket said:
That article is stupidly biased and once more calling the Liar card incorrectly. You complain that people post what you think are unfair and unfounded accusations about Abbott, you even complain if we don't post about her but you don't mind posting the attached one with a 'Liar' label to it.
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i'm sure Boris's ex wives would disagree about him not being a liar;)
 
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