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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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spongebob59 said:
Explains a lot

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-20...nabis-will-reduce-crime-and-increase-revenue/


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She appears to reject the evidence that playing about with recreational drugs leads in many cases to moving on hard line gear but it will save money - until there off to A&E with an OD
 
Hobbit said:
"I've never met the IRA." - photographic evidence.
"I didn't lay a wreath at the grave of 4 terrorists that killed Israeli athletes." Photographic evidence - and some great footage on a piece by the Beeb.
"The Labour Party has investigated every single case of antisemitism." (from last night's debate) - A Labour councillor has today said there are over 100 cases still to be investigated.
"The Tories will sell off the NHS and do deals with big Pharma in the USA." Well, where's the proof of the first bit? But he is right on the second bit. The Tories have very recently signed a deal that sees the cost of cystic fibrosis meds come down massively.

They're both big liars, and arguing the size of the lie is just silly. The idea is to have a PM that you can trust... neither of them pass that benchmark.
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I've never met the IRA." - photographic evidence.
He met with Sinn Fein, subtle difference.

"I didn't lay a wreath at the grave of 4 terrorists that killed Israeli athletes." Photographic evidence - and some great footage on a piece by the Beeb.

The wreath-laying took place during a commemorative ceremony for victims of the 1985 Israeli air strikes on the PLO headquarters in Tunis, the cemetery were the ceremony took place also contained the graves of the 4 terrorists.

"The Labour Party has investigated every single case of antisemitism." (from last night's debate) - A Labour councillor has today said there are over 100 cases still to be investigated.

Again, the councillor who made has said over 100 cases still need investigating actually said “The party haven’t bothered to investigate the cases properly or make decisions.”
So again a subtle difference between Corbyn believing they have been and are being dealt with and the councillor who is unhappy with the findings.

Agreed Corbyn is untrustworthy, but I’m totally unaware of any MP who has ever had so many lies proven and exposed as boris.

Even last night he totally and utterly dodged the question on “telling the truth in politics”

And it was only this summer the court of appeal founds the selling of arms to Saudi Arabia illegal.

Three judges said that a decision made in secret in 2016 had led them to decide that Boris Johnson, Jeremy Hunt and Liam Fox and other key ministers had illegally signed off on arms exports without properly assessing the risk to civilians.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You've got one.

How about we will be leaving on 31st October 'I'd be dead in a ditch' - no ifs not buts. He knew that he couldn't guarantee that - but he still insisted on saying it when Hunt and such as Stewart were saying to his face that he couldn't guarantee it, and whenever he was subsequently pressed on it.

Or what about his current 'parliament has blocked me getting a deal done'. Not true. Parliament passed the first reading of his agreed Withdrawal Agreement. Johnson then decided to pull it and call a General Election. We know why he did it - but parliament did not block it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50145265

But in case you don't believe that one here's Full Fact on another - the monthly payment to the EU

https://fullfact.org/europe/one-billion-a-month/

And the text from Full Fact on another - the border question

Does the new withdrawal agreement create a border in the Irish Sea?
It has been argued that the new withdrawal agreement will create a “border down the Irish Sea” with checks taking place on goods crossing into Northern Ireland from Great Britain.

It’s correct that goods checks will have to take place. This will kick in at the end of the transition period, unless or until the UK and EU sign a trade agreement superseding it. The transition period would last until December 2020 at the earliest, or at the latest December 2022.

And what about the standard line to the UK public - I will Get Brexit Done in 2020 and Labour will have two referendum

To the non-Scottish electorate is this a Lie; a Deceit, or a misinformation? I dunno - you choose. And in any case I don't actually believe that Labour have committed to a 2020 Scottish independence referendum

But just in case you don't consider any of these as Big Ls - here's the Independent newspaper historical take on Mr Johnson.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...te-list-times-banana-brexit-bus-a8929076.html
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I cant be arsed to go through each and every one of those allegations. I admit some of it smacks of exaggerated comments we hear from many politicians but much of it is also tittle tattle and nit picking. For example, he was prevented from allowing the UK leaving the EU at the end of October by the Benn Bill and the actions of Remainers in parliament, did he actually have to commit suicide in a ditch because of the way he had been manipulated. His claim that stopping the UK leaving would cost the country 1 billion pounds a month was maybe not exact but the general premise was correct as delaying our final leave date will add extra payments into the EU.

I dislike the casual accusations that call people Liars, its crude and a blunt instrument. If I had the will to spend time researching claims and statements made by MPs from all parties over the last 20 years that were either exaggerations or, falsehoods or broken promises or even actions that they were prevented from executing and stuck a bit fat LIAR label to them I guess it would be an extensive list indeed.

We seem to get a continual drip feed these days that use terms like 'catestrophic' 'devistated' 'Liar' 'Crash out' 'Cliff edge' etc, everything is insulting to some faction or the other and in most cases the whole distorted pantomime comes down to people not being able to accept their view lost a vote.
 
Meanwhile Diane Abbott continues to be insulted on here and the silence to her name calling is deafening.:unsure:
 
chrisd said:
Seriously ?
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Absolutely, Cambridge educated, MP for over 30 years, increased her majority at last GE.
I fully recognise she’s made some public gaffes, but I ask again, what it is that makes boris anymore trustworthy as PM.
His background is full of embarrassing lies and gaffes yet we are asked not to be lazy when mentioning him.
Abbott is constantly undermined by the media and the mud thrown at her has stuck.
 
pauldj42 said:
Meanwhile Diane Abbott continues to be insulted on here and the silence to her name calling is deafening.:unsure:
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Sorry I wanted to highlight being innumerate did not just affect stats but could be an issue in every day life .. like catching a bus. 😉.
But I am sure she is in a safe place and I am sure her constituency are happy with her efforts and they will show this by giving her a majority.
In the end that is the yard pole for all of these politicians.
 
pauldj42 said:
Absolutely, Cambridge educated, MP for over 30 years, increased her majority at last GE.
I fully recognise she’s made some public gaffes, but I ask again, what it is that makes boris anymore trustworthy as PM.
His background is full of embarrassing lies and gaffes yet we are asked not to be lazy when mentioning him.
Abbott is constantly undermined by the media and the mud thrown at her has stuck.
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Honestly Paul, good luck with that one 😣
 
harpo_72 said:
Sorry I wanted to highlight being innumerate did not just affect stats but could be an issue in every day life .. like catching a bus. 😉.
But I am sure she is in a safe place and I am sure her constituency are happy with her efforts and they will show this by giving her a majority.
In the end that is the yard pole for all of these politicians.
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In that case, if BJ is re-elected he passes the test.
 
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