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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Liverpoolphil said:
It would be interesting to know

1. Who is voting Labour just to stop Tory getting in and vice versa

2. The others that are voting Tory or Labour is it a historic thing

3. Those hardened Tory supporters - what would you count as a success from the Tory government over the past ten years ?
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Lifelong Labour voter however I also voted Leave so unfortunately the Tories will be getting my vote this time around. Get Brexit sorted, then move on and see what happens.
Saying that, even if Labour had promised to get Brexit sorted I wouldn't have voted for them, their leadership is far too toxic for me and quite obviously throwing about crazy promises they could never seriously achieve.
Imo all this NHS horse poo is just a sideshow created by Labour to try and get away from discussing Brexit in the lead up to the election.
Should I feel ashamed for voting Tory bearing in mind where I grew up? Maybe, but this stalemate in the HoC needs sorting out so we can get on with our lives.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Are you Jeremy Corbyn in disguise, that was pretty much his response. Or maybe you're Boris in disguise as you seem so happy to throw proven lies around.
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It seems a fair comment to me - why should people get tax relief just for being married ? I have no problems at all with removing something I believe shouldnt happen
The £80k figure is as much of a lie as the £350 million on the side of the bus or the Tories 40 new hospitals and yet you're still happy to use it. I assume that means that we won't hear any criticism from you about Boris or Tory lies from now on because that would make you a hypocrite.
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Is the £80k figure a lie then ? Are they not going to be taxed more under Labours plans ?
 
SocketRocket said:
1) Would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for Corbyns Labour so yes, will vote Conservative but not just to kerp labour out but necause theyre the current best choice.
2) Not historic, I have voted Labour, Liberal and Tory.
3) Reducing the defecit created by labour, giving us the chance to leave the EU, Creating a strong economy with almost record employment levels, reducing the size of the state, attracting huge inward investment into the UK, keeping the excesses of union power under control, standing firm against international terrorism, maintaining first class security systems, not allowing spending on the NHS to fall behind inflation, getting a large number off state benefits and into work.
Thats enough to be going on with and before you start calling me an uncaring Tory, you asked for this.
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I wonder why the Tories don’t use your successes in an election campaign ? Or are they successes from one angle ?

1. The deficit has decreased but it also was its highest this budget since four years and of course we all know that the debt on the country is around £1.8 Trillion now - that’s not great

2. Employment levels are higher than for years - that can only be a good thing , should be something that is highlighted by them - but how many are on “zero hour contracts” ? I found this a good article

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....loyment-still-low-we-are-working-longer-hours

But then this also mentioned the “hidden” unemployed ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....oyment-hidden-labour-market-a9160146.html?amp

3. Reducing the size of the state ? Not sure what that means ?

4. Leaving the EU - again that’s a success when looking from one angle but a complete failure from another

5. Attracting investment- another success they should highlight - but how much of that reaches beyond the city and down to beinf in the EU ? Who knows

6. Getting people off benefits - how many are suffering because of the rules they brought in and how many now need to go to food banks ? Universal credit not exactly a roaring success

7. Standing firm against Terrorism ? Hasn’t every government done that ?

8. NHS - well from my point of view I wouldn’t class anything in regards the NHS as a success
 
chrisd said:
At a quick read it confirms that EU nationals CAN just walk in. If they dont find work they could have been asked to leave after 3 months, this was never implemented and Tony Blair stopped outgoing people being recorded as leaving
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So why haven’t the Tories implemented it then ? What is stopping them ? It would certainly help with their promises
 
Interesting that MI5 are leaking that Corbyn was put on a watch list over his IRA connections, it surely dispels the theory that he was helping to broker a peace deal
 
chrisd said:
Interesting that MI5 are leaking that Corbyn was put on a watch list over his IRA connections, it surely dispels the theory that he was helping to broker a peace deal
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More worrying that the establishment want to get involved in a campaign. The inner world who will really benefit from a Tory government looking after their own........as always
 
ColchesterFC said:
Are some people earning less than £80k going to have to pay more in tax? If the answer to that question is yes then it is a lie to say that tax rises will only be for the top 5% of earners, those earning over £80k.
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I didnt say that tax rises will “only be for the top 5% “ earners

chrisd said:
Interesting that MI5 are leaking that Corbyn was put on a watch list over his IRA connections, it surely dispels the theory that he was helping to broker a peace deal
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So if he wasn’t helping to broker a peace deal was it you think he was doing then ?

Getting close to be a very strong accusation
 
ColchesterFC said:
Are some people earning less than £80k going to have to pay more in tax? If the answer to that question is yes then it is a lie to say that tax rises will only be for the top 5% of earners, those earning over £80k.
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There are many other taxes they may be affected by. Dividend tax is changing as is capital gains, as is small business tax, corporation tax, 2nd house tax to name a few
 
ColchesterFC said:
You've let me down, you've let the forum down, but most of all you've let yourself down. We're not angry we're disappointed. It's your duty to watch it asap and come back to us with a #factcheck of it. (y)
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Trouble is that would involve doing a google/social media search for 'Conservative party political broadcast'. And then the next thing you know I'll be getting bombarded with suggestions to like all the 73 people with exactly the same friend who work for the hospital in Leeds and suggestions I follow Katie Hopkins and journalists at The Telegraph.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Are you Jeremy Corbyn in disguise, that was pretty much his response. Or maybe you're Boris in disguise as you seem so happy to throw proven lies around.

The £80k figure is as much of a lie as the £350 million on the side of the bus or the Tories 40 new hospitals and yet you're still happy to use it. I assume that means that we won't hear any criticism from you about Boris or Tory lies from now on because that would make you a hypocrite.
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The £80k figure may or may not be a lie in terms of income tax... I can't be harris'd arguing the toss on that one. But in terms of indirect taxation pretty much everyone is going to be taxed, and not just in one area.

Financial transaction tax; those of you that, for example, buy over £1,000 in foreign currency for a holiday, or load a money card will pay an indirect transaction tax, i.e. the company you bought it from will be taxed on that transaction, and of course they won't pass that new tax on to the customer:rolleyes:. Those of you that have a pension pot based around stocks and shares, pretty much everyone, will get well clobbered as the income tax rate on dividends is significantly increased.:rolleyes: Reverse the tax cuts on inheritance tax.:rolleyes:

If anyone can be bothered to actually read Labour's overall taxation plan they will see that the headline grabber of they will only tax people earning over £80k is, like pretty much all political statements, extremely disingenuous. They might not be taking it out of your wages but they will absolutely be taking it from you in indirect taxes.

And then you get 'throw aways' like Labour will be investing significantly in R&D grants via its new transformation fund..... Whoopie-flippin-do!!! But what they don't tell you behind that headline is they will be ending R&D tax breaks for companies. Again, go and read the detail. According to Labour it will save a fortune - yes it will because the proposed R&D grants will be less than the tax breaks. Cost of manufacturing goes up = cost of product will go up... I wonder who will pay for that:rolleyes:
 
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