Alps Plane Crash

[SaintHacker]

My mistake. I assumed it was such a common sense thng that all airlines would have followed the US lead.
Interestingly on a recent holiday flight with a British airline I was in the queue for the forawd toilets when the cockpit door opened, out came the first officer who politely asked if he could jump the queue. The door stayed open the whole time, there was a flight attendant stood in the open door chatting to the Captain but that was it.

 

[richy]

Truly shocking.

I wonder if they'll ever find his motives for doing this

 

[Pin-seeker]

Truly shocking.

I wonder if they'll ever find his motives for doing this

Maybe the only motive he had was to end his own life,but he was so selfish & sick in the head that he killed all the innocent passengers with him.
Sickens me when I think about it.

 

[Martin70]

Just awful. How can you do this to other innocent people if you want to end your own life? Is this the new form of terrorism or one man who has flipped out? Is this related to the missing plane last year?

In any case truly awful rip to all.

 

[Matty2803]

Not great at all. Awful stuff.

Regarding the two in the flight deck... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32075657

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Very sad that he had to take so many innocent lives with him

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Not great at all. Awful stuff.

Regarding the two in the flight deck... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32075657

I suspect most airlines will do this within the next few months, media pressure will be immense if they don't.

The co pilot set the autopiltot from 38,000ft to 100ft, I had hoped something had gone wrong and it was just an accident but it looks more deliberate by the minute.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I suspect most airlines will do this within the next few months, media pressure will be immense if they don't.

The co pilot set the autopiltot from 38,000ft to 100ft, I had hoped something had gone wrong and it was just an accident but it looks more deliberate by the minute.

That's a severe decent - would hope that the passengers passed out during the decent but I don't think they would have

I just hope it wasn't something that could have been picked up by his work colleagues or during regular medical checks ( depression etc )

 

[richy]

That's a severe decent - would hope that the passengers passed out during the decent but I don't think they would have

I just hope it wasn't something that could have been picked up by his work colleagues or during regular medical checks ( depression etc )

Pretty sure that the recorder picked up the passengers screaming before impact.

Horrible to think what they went through.

 

[Martin70]

Always been nervous about flying but you are on this planet a very miniscule time so I think it is better to go for a holiday rather than let it stop you for any other nervous fliers. This is in no way belittling people like me but what's the point In just existing and not seeing places? I don't enjoy flying but take comfort in the studies that say it's one in 5 million you get trouble.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

That's a severe decent - would hope that the passengers passed out during the decent but I don't think they would have

I just hope it wasn't something that could have been picked up by his work colleagues or during regular medical checks ( depression etc )

It's descent rate on autopilot is 4000ft per minute which is the same as a normal descent into an airport,

the reports are that on the flight recorder the passengers only started screaming when they realised they was going to crash a minute before the accident, what a crap way too go!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Looks like there is already a change to flight deck protocol http://news.sky.com/story/1453092/alps-crash-co-pilot-wanted-to-destroy-plane

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's descent rate on autopilot is 4000ft per minute which is the same as a normal descent into an airport,

the reports are that on the flight recorder the passengers only started screaming when they realised they was going to crash a minute before the accident, what a crap way too go!

Ah right thought it was a sharp decent straight down

Awful way to go - seen the aftermath of a small plane crash and it's not nice - just can't imagine what it would be like with a passenger airliner

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It's descent rate on autopilot is 4000ft per minute which is the same as a normal descent into an airport,

the reports are that on the flight recorder the passengers only started screaming when they realised they was going to crash a minute before the accident, what a crap way too go!

Indeed. screams only heard at the very end of the audio recording.

 

[Robobum]

I know full details haven't been released yet but, considering it would have been approx 10 mins from cruise to impact - you'd expect that the captain would have been trying to kick the door in. The release so far just says that captains voice could be heard at the door.

So sad - in a perverse way, I hope (wrong word) it was a personal issue and not down to him being in anyway radicalised by any terrorist group.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I know full details haven't been released yet but, considering it would have been approx 10 mins from cruise to impact - you'd expect that the captain would have been trying to kick the door in. The release so far just says that captains voice could be heard at the door.

So sad - in a perverse way, I hope (wrong word) it was a personal issue and not down to him being in anyway radicalised by any terrorist group.

There doesn't seem to be too much focus on a terrorist angle so far from what has been released about the co-pilot which I think is a good thing but I agree that you'd have thought the captain would have made a bigger effort to gain access. I'm not sure how these work in the wake of 9/11 and how accessible there are externally but there has to be some way they could get access if necessary

 

[ger147]

There doesn't seem to be too much focus on a terrorist angle so far from what has been released about the co-pilot which I think is a good thing but I agree that you'd have thought the captain would have made a bigger effort to gain access. I'm not sure how these work in the wake of 9/11 and how accessible there are externally but there has to be some way they could get access if necessary

Not a hope of getting into a locked cockpit these days without explosives.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know full details haven't been released yet but, considering it would have been approx 10 mins from cruise to impact - you'd expect that the captain would have been trying to kick the door in. The release so far just says that captains voice could be heard at the door.

So sad - in a perverse way, I hope (wrong word) it was a personal issue and not down to him being in anyway radicalised by any terrorist group.

They made doors virtually impregnable after 9/11 but think ( could be wrong ) that new Airbus have emergency keep alive locks etc

Not sure what the pilot could have done without drawing attention but would have been hard for him not to go mental at the door

 

[Blue in Munich]

I suspect most airlines will do this within the next few months, media pressure will be immense if they don't.

The co pilot set the autopiltot from 38,000ft to 100ft, I had hoped something had gone wrong and it was just an accident but it looks more deliberate by the minute.

I suppose we should be grateful, if that's the right word in the circumstances, that the crash occurred where it did and didn't cause further casualties on the ground if that is what he did.

What does surprise me is that you could set the cruise control to an altitude that low without setting off some alarm signal, or maybe there is?

I know full details haven't been released yet but, considering it would have been approx 10 mins from cruise to impact - you'd expect that the captain would have been trying to kick the door in. The release so far just says that captains voice could be heard at the door.

So sad - in a perverse way, I hope (wrong word) it was a personal issue and not down to him being in anyway radicalised by any terrorist group.

There doesn't seem to be too much focus on a terrorist angle so far from what has been released about the co-pilot which I think is a good thing but I agree that you'd have thought the captain would have made a bigger effort to gain access. I'm not sure how these work in the wake of 9/11 and how accessible there are externally but there has to be some way they could get access if necessary

I wonder how much the Captain's actions were based in trying not to panic the passengers.

As far as overriding the door lock, judging by the video link I posted earlier that gives all the control to whoever is in the cockpit; ideal for the terrorist issue but useless against "the enemy within".

I thought pilots were subject to strict psychometric testing, surprised that didn't pick anything up unless that comes out further down the line.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

There doesn't seem to be too much focus on a terrorist angle so far from what has been released about the co-pilot which I think is a good thing but I agree that you'd have thought the captain would have made a bigger effort to gain access. I'm not sure how these work in the wake of 9/11 and how accessible there are externally but there has to be some way they could get access if necessary

Not a chance of getting access if the master switch in the flighdeck has been switched to door locked and the lock on the outside becomes worthless, the door is bullet proof after 9/11, the flight crew have full control up front