Helicopter Crash on Glasgow Pub

Not wishing to cause any upset but please dear media and those Glaswegians being interviewed and encouraged to emote - all of Scotland grieving? - Glasgow flower shops sold out? Can we please have a little bit of perspective around this terrible incident and a bit less 'self-congratulatory' back-slapping by my fellow Glaswegians - the folks of any city in the UK would have done exactly the same - let's not pretend we are somehow 'different' in that respect.

Nine people have died and dozens injured. It is a freak accident - but accidents happen, as do freak ones. On average five people die every day on the UK roads. That means ten deaths since the accident.

For me the important thing is for the state and friends to support the family of the bereaved and injured - as they will do. And every funeral will be a personal, intimate and sad occasion.

However, the authorities need to question the operational need for, and benefit of having, police helicopter overflight of towns and cities as standard procedure - and balance that against the risk presented. The risk is small - but it is now evidentially real.
 
Seems strange that no may day was given. I really hope the cause wasn't something that will turn the great work and actions of the people of the city have done so far on it's head.

I can't understand the post above,'self-congratulatory' back-slappin??

Yes you would think every town,city or village across the world would react in the same way but the fact is these people have been a credit and they deserve praise.I'm unsure who is claiming they are somehow different or better to anyone else in the same way I don't recall the New Yorkers claiming so in 9/11.:confused:

Don't know if it has been mentioned on here but apparently one of the barmen went down to the cellar and turned the gas off when it happened. if that's true then hats off to him for thinking and acting so quickly.:thup:
 
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Dodger said:
Seems strange that no may day was given. I really hope the cause wasn't something that will turn the great work and actions of the people of the city have done so far on it's head.

I can't understand the post above,'self-congratulatory' back-slappin??

Yes you would think every town,city or village across the world would react in the same way but the fact is these people have been a credit and they deserve praise.I'm unsure who is claiming they are somehow different or better to anyone else in the same way I don't recall the New Yorkers claiming so in 9/11.:confused:
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What I mean is not the individuals actually involved - more the wider Glaswegian - 'aren't we great'. Well yes - but please let's not make too much of it. Those who helped out did what they could and had to do, and have without much fuss or hullabaloo melted into the background. And that is humanity and humility. Glaswegians have a lot of the former but sometimes not much of the latter. And so in this instance the individuals have my respect and thanks.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Hogan I haven't seen anything that remotely says/does like you say.

But I don't buy newspapers or watch/listen to any other news than BBC.
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Been a fair bit on the radio - filling and interviewing anyone they can - usually with the leading 'so what do you think about the reaction of Glaswegians who went in and helped' sort of thing. Yes I know...I just wish more would just say 'get lost' :)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Been a fair bit on the radio - filling and interviewing anyone they can - usually with the leading 'so what do you think about the reaction of Glaswegians who went in and helped' sort of thing. Yes I know...I just wish more would just say 'get lost' :)
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Generally speaking they don't broadcast the interviews where the people tell them to get lost, especially when "get lost" is translated into Glaswegian.
 
ger147 said:
Generally speaking they don't broadcast the interviews where the people tell them to get lost, especially when "get lost" is translated into Glaswegian.
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You are not wrong - I shall content myself with the thought that many prospective interviews were curtailed rather rapidly.
 
Dodger said:
Seems strange that no may day was given. I really hope the cause wasn't something that will turn the great work and actions of the people of the city have done so far on it's head.

I can't understand the post above,'self-congratulatory' back-slappin??

Yes you would think every town,city or village across the world would react in the same way but the fact is these people have been a credit and they deserve praise.I'm unsure who is claiming they are somehow different or better to anyone else in the same way I don't recall the New Yorkers claiming so in 9/11.:confused:

Don't know if it has been mentioned on here but apparently one of the barmen went down to the cellar and turned the gas off when it happened. if that's true then hats off to him for thinking and acting so quickly.:thup:
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No may day but I've heard that the pilot turned the fuel off so their would be no explosion, if that's true, then to think and act like that whilst falling from the sky like a stone with gods knows what feelings of fear are going through your head, that is a huge act of heroism by the pilot or co pilot.

With no may day I'm thinking along the lines of a complete mechanical breakdown, a complete shut-down of everything and it dropped like a stone, frightening.
 
Fish said:
No may day but I've heard that the pilot turned the fuel off so their would be no explosion, if that's true, then to think and act like that whilst falling from the sky like a stone with gods knows what feelings of fear are going through your head, that is a huge act of heroism by the pilot or co pilot.

With no may day I'm thinking along the lines of a complete mechanical breakdown, a complete shut-down of everything and it dropped like a stone, frightening.
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Not quite sure the point would be of the pilot spending even a few seconds sending out a may day call.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Not quite sure the point would be of the pilot spending even a few seconds sending out a may day call.
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It would give an indication of the fault, something could then be possibly taken from it to help investigators which would go towards making sure or at least identifying the possible failure so it didn't happened again.
 
Dodger said:
Seems strange that no may day was given.
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In that sort of situation, the priority is to establish the aircraft into autorotation and try and pick out a safe place to land. Then you go through a well practiced, set drill of switching off fuel, making a mayday call and then turning off the electrics. All in all an extrmely high workload in daylight and at altitude and if the engine failure is gradual ie. loss of one of two engines. If as it seems what happened on Friday, the pilot would have had only seconds to react and try to work things out before he hit the ground. He would probably have been dissorientated and confused as it seems it was sudden and unexpected.
When flying at night, especially over built-up areas, it is extremely difficult to make out ground features as all you can see are the streetlights and not roof tops or open ground, unless it is well lit. The pilot was probably trying to make it towards the Clyde, but unfortunately came up short.
 
Not surprised that the pilot didn't put out a Mayday call, the training in situations like that would be Aviate, Navigate, Communicate; it would have been the last thing on his list of priorities under the circumstances as we know them. I'm more surprised that apparently neither of the police officers used their radios to put out a call. The other possibility of course is that one of them did but for whatever reason Police Scotland have not released that information (and that isn't a criticism, merely an observation).
 
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