Advice or not

[Neilds]

I played yesterday at a course I hadn’t played before and one of the hole was a 90* dogleg. On the tee, where the hole map is, was a sign that said “Ideal distance to corner 190 yards”. Our group had a discussion about whether this is advice or not. The distance to the corner is fact so I would say that is allowed,but it was the use of the word “ideal” that made us unsure.
Any thoughts?

 

[chrisd]

I cant see a problem, if you had the Club's course planner it would probably tell you how best to approach playing every hole. As you say distance is a matter of fact

 

[guest100718]

I played yesterday at a course I hadn’t played before and one of the hole was a 90* dogleg. On the tee, where the hole map is, was a sign that said “Ideal distance to corner 190 yards”. Our group had a discussion about whether this is advice or not. The distance to the corner is fact so I would say that is allowed,but it was the use of the word “ideal” that made us unsure.
Any thoughts?

Well if I said the ideal shot is 190 then that's advice. But a sign.. Not sure how. You'd give it a 2 shot pen.....

 

[guest100718]

I think you're over thinking it...

 

[jim8flog]

I have played lots of courses where the tee map has given the distance to a given point eg middle point of a dogleg or point where the fairway ends beyond the angle of the dogleg.

If it said however "take a 5 iron to this point" that would be a different matter.

Think of it in terms of a par three where you are always given the yardage to the middle of a green.

 

[Neilds]

I have played lots of courses where the tee map has given the distance to a given point eg middle point of a dogleg or point where the fairway ends beyond the angle of the dogleg.

If it said however "take a 5 iron to this point" that would be a different matter.

Think of it in terms of a par three where you are always given the yardage to the middle of a green.

Agree with what you are saying, and maybe I am being too pedantic, but the distance to the middle of the green is a fact, if it said that you ideally should be on the flat of the green that would be advice. But I suppose it is no different to the pro tips on the course websites

 

[Colin L]

Agree with what you are saying, and maybe I am being too pedantic, but the distance to the middle of the green is a fact, if it said that you ideally should be on the flat of the green that would be advice. But I suppose it is no different to the pro tips on the course websites

Over twisting of knickers, I suggest, Neilds. Rule 8-1 prohibits your asking advice from anyone except your partner or either of your caddies. it prohibits your giving advice to anyone playing on the course except your partner. In short, it is about asking advice from, or giving advice to a person. Signs, booklets, websites etc are not people.

 

[duncan mackie]

Over twisting of knickers, I suggest, Neilds. Rule 8-1 prohibits your asking advice from anyone except your partner or either of your caddies. it prohibits your giving advice to anyone playing on the course except your partner. In short, it is about asking advice from, or giving advice to a person. Signs, booklets, websites etc are not people.

Absolutely spot on - but probably worth highlighting that 'not people' aspects tend to fall under 14.3 👍

 

[rulefan]

If this was considered to be advice as per the rules, every course guide written by the pro to guide visitors around the course would be advice. They are not.


k, must be hit as anything offline or long will leave a very difficult up and down.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

If this was considered to be advice as per the rules, every course guide written by the pro to guide visitors around the course would be advice. They are not.


k, must be hit as anything offline or long will leave a very difficult up and down.

True, most guides contain trips from the pro which often say things like "A long drive down the middle sets you up for an easier second shot"

Not sure this constitutes advice - more a statement of the bl***y obvious!

 

[rulefan]

Rule 8-1 is constrained to the course of a Stipulated Round. The pro's advice was written prior to that.

 

[atticusfinch]

Doesn't matter whether it is advice or not. The rule says: the player may not give advice to anyone in the competition playing on the course other than his partner, or ask for advice from anyone other than his partner or either of their caddies. Neither of these things has been done in your case. He did not make the statement to anyone, and did not ask anybody for it. Somebody just posted it for all to see. The notice could have had details on how to play the shot including the best club and aiming point.

 

[LincolnShep]

True, most guides contain trips from the pro which often say things like "A long drive down the middle sets you up for an easier second shot"
Not sure this constitutes advice - more a statement of the bl***y obvious!

You could replace most pros tips with "just hit it down the middle" and the course guides would be just as useful! If I could hit it down the middle, I'd be the Pro!