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[Maninblack4612]

I, as some will know, an adherent of Jim Hardy and Matt Kuchar's coach, Chris O'Connell. They run a Facebook group called "The Plan Truth - Discussion Forum" https://www.facebook.com/groups/883211211732649/ for those on Facebook. I have posted questions there from time to time and it's not unusual to get a reply from Jim of Chris, or both. This week I posted a video nasty of my swing & got some helpful feedback from them and also from Bill Harmon, Butch's brother, who is 69 & plays off +1. It's a nice, friendly group, although a lot of the stuff posted is highly technical and need you to have read some of Jim's books to understand it.

 

[bobmac]

Has no-one mentioned your wrist roll on the backswing?

 

[Maninblack4612]

Has no-one mentioned your wrist roll on the backswing?

According to Mr. Hardy the left forearm has to rotate clockwise during a one plane backswing. However, I struggle to understand the difference between "rotate" & "roll". Hardy says the forearm must rotate to avoid the swing becoming too steep. Don't think that's my problem!

 

[bobmac]

You may be right.
But it's going to be much easier to swing more upright if you don't roll your wrists.

 

[Maninblack4612]

You may be right.
But it's going to be much easier to swing more upright if you don't roll your wrists.

I think that trying to steepen the shoulder turn has the effect of restricting the wrist roll. The way I'm trying to swing now feels much steeper but I know from experience that when I see it again it will look more or less the same. Feel v. real is weird.

 

[bobmac]

I think that trying to steepen the shoulder turn has the effect of restricting the wrist roll. The way I'm trying to swing now feels much steeper but I know from experience that when I see it again it will look more or less the same. Feel v. real is weird.

I agree with the real and feel bit.
But I don't agree with the rest.
You've rolled your wrists all your life and have had a flat backswing all your life and you still got down to 5. So it can't be all bad.
If you want to focus on and change your backswing, it will literally take years for it to feel 'normal' and for what? Because it doesn't look right?
Or do you want to change your backswing for another reason?

 

[Maninblack4612]

I agree with the real and feel bit.
But I don't agree with the rest.
You've rolled your wrists all your life and have had a flat backswing all your life and you still got down to 5. So it can't be all bad.
If you want to focus on and change your backswing, it will literally take years for it to feel 'normal' and for what? Because it doesn't look right?
Or do you want to change your backswing for another reason?

For another reason. I can hit every fairway in a round & miss just about every green. My driving is by far the best part of my game. The flatness makes everything else very difficult with lots of poor impacts & shanks on a bad day. It's only a slight steepening I'm after even though it feels mega uncomfortable.

 

[bobmac]

For another reason. I can hit every fairway in a round & miss just about every green. My driving is by far the best part of my game. The flatness makes everything else very difficult with lots of poor impacts & shanks on a bad day. It's only a slight steepening I'm after even though it feels mega uncomfortable.

I would say your shanks are coming from an early extension, and poor contact comes from a non existent leg drive.....nothing to do with your flat backswing. Compare your lower half at address and at impact...........almost no difference.
Concentrate on the impact position not the backswing would be my thrupence worth, then you can keep your comfy backswing.

 

[Maninblack4612]

I would say your shanks are coming from an early extension, and poor contact comes from a non existent leg drive.....nothing to do with your flat backswing. Compare your lower half at address and at impact...........almost no difference.
Concentrate on the impact position not the backswing would be my thrupence worth, then you can keep your comfy backswing.

You're certainly right about the early extension. Not really thought about the leg drive. For those who are not of a nervous disposition here's the swing we're talking about.

 

[bobmac]

Not really thought about the leg drive.

Left is address and right is impact

 

[BubbaP]

I did work out that was your vid, even if it wasn't a "man in black"!

Great as always Bob.
I really must sort a vid out of my wonky swing.

 

[bladeplayer]

You're certainly right about the early extension. Not really thought about the leg drive. For those who are not of a nervous disposition here's the swing we're talking about.

Total hacker response here . A lot of head movement in take away / swing ?

Ur lower than il get to so what do i know tho 😕

 

[williamalex1]

Total hacker response here . A lot of head movement in take away / swing ?

Ur lower than il get to so what do i know tho 😕

BTW that is his actual swing speed still a lot faster than mine though

 

[garyinderry]

Martin black - do you struggle to hit the ball out of thick ish rough?

 

[williamalex1]

Martin black - do you struggle to hit the ball out of thick ish rough?

Predictive text is brilliant sometimes.

 

[Maninblack4612]

Total hacker response here . A lot of head movement in take away / swing ?

Ur lower than il get to so what do i know tho 😕

Stiff neck - can't help it.

 

[Maninblack4612]

Martin black - do you struggle to hit the ball out of thick ish rough?

Not really, but then I use a steep, open faced approach. Nothing like my standard swing.

 

[garyinderry]

Not really, but then I use a steep, open faced approach. Nothing like my standard swing.

That's good because my mate has a similar looking swing to you and he cant make good contact from the juicy rough as hes so shallow.

 

[bladeplayer]

Stiff neck - can't help it.

Apologies . As i say it a hackers response to ur question anyhow

 

[Maninblack4612]

Apologies . As i say it a hackers response to ur question anyhow

No problem. You were spot on.