Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Teeing off early can cause slow play issues as well
But then I don’t think I have ever seen anyone get a penalty for going off early
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But then I don’t think I have ever seen anyone get a penalty for going off early
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Where I play the tee interval of 9 minutes allows for 4 balls but we get a lot of times booked with fewer players so often end up with a completely empty hole in front of you. Was never really a problem when we alternated 7 and 8 minutes., although we sometimes got a problem with queues on one tee but we often get the same problem with 9 minute tee intervals. Slow play in the main is caused by slow players here with often 2 or 3 hole gaps in front of some players.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
It is a punishment because the ball dropped from your third shot, say, but because it took 11 seconds they are adding a shot that you never hit. Adding a shot in that manner is usually defined as a penalty, hence you've been punished.
You haven't looked very hard, must be loads of examples on YouTube alone.
Make it 3 minutes for the ball to drop as well then! If it's taken that long it definitely isn't dropping. But that is not true of ten seconds.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It is a punishment because the ball dropped from your third shot, say, but because it took 11 seconds they are adding a shot that you never hit. Adding a shot in that manner is usually defined as a penalty, hence you've been punished.
You haven't looked very hard, must be loads of examples on YouTube alone.
Make it 3 minutes for the ball to drop as well then! If it's taken that long it definitely isn't dropping. But that is not true of ten seconds.
If you haven’t hold your shot in the allotted time then you aren’t punished - you just put it in with your next
And I’m sure all the vids on you tube are genuine
Never seen it happen to any playing partner
So what’s the limit ? 4 mins ? 20 seconds?
Whatever limit you set then what about the ball that drops 1 second after ?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I can imagine the scene......a group in the fairway, a group on the tee and 4 blokes standing around for 2 minutes waiting for a ball to drop...It is a punishment because the ball dropped from your third shot, say, but because it took 11 seconds they are adding a shot that you never hit. Adding a shot in that manner is usually defined as a penalty, hence you've been punished.
You haven't looked very hard, must be loads of examples on YouTube alone.
Make it 3 minutes for the ball to drop as well then! If it's taken that long it definitely isn't dropping. But that is not true of ten seconds.
That's going down well...and I don't mean the ball.
When you take into account the 5-10 seconds it takes to get there, another 10 is about right....there has to be a li it that doesn't hold play up.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
It won't. I've never seen it take longer than about 30 seconds really, after that it just isn't dropping. But 10 seconds isn't enough.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
How is it judged that 10 seconds isn’t enough - it’s been enough for 60 years ?
How do you know it’s never taken more than 30 seconds when surely after 10 seconds the ball has been marked or tapped in ?
What if someone comes along and says 30 seconds isn’t enough
evemccc
Well-known member
As a rule expert, I feel qualified to weigh in here.
The one rule I hate most of all, is that you can only wait 10 seconds for a ball hanging on the edge of the cup to drop in. I think it's ridiculous and completely against the spirit of the game. We have those comedy moments where the players sit and watch it fall in, then the light-hearted moment is shattered when they realise it took 12 seconds and it's "screw you, that's another shot". It's out of order and doesn't make any sense since you're not supposed to hit a moving ball anyway. The ball fell in under it's own steam, it should be counted no matter how long it takes. I'm sure there's never been a recorded case where it took longer than a minute to drop anyway, so if people are waiting all day then they're taking the mick, you just tell them to get on with it. It's a very stupid rule.
I also think amateur club golf should be pick and place all year round, and I will die on this hill. In situations like the heatwave we've just had, you often get even worse lies than you do in winter when the grass is a little fluffy. As amateurs we play for fun and should be rewarded with a decent lie if you hit a fairway in my view. And this would take care of the 'landing in a divot' problem nicely.
I won’t die on this hill at all, but I rather like having no pick and place - ever….
The best thing about golf is that it’s not ‘fair’ in that a sudden gust of strong wind may, out of nowhere, hit your ball and benefit or hinder you
Hitting a great shot and landing in a divot in the centre of the fairway isn’t ‘fair’ but I like that in golf you play the ball as it lies….’you put the ball there, you deal with it’ etc etc
Maybe it’s just me but I like the fact that golf isn’t always fair
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Most WILL use it.
They will take a perfectly playable ball off a nice lie on a fairway and tee it up on the nearest wormcast or fluffy tuft of grass.
I would.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
That's not what that comment meant, I was saying most clubs aren't currently using the option to make individual fairways pick and place.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
It's not enough because we have seen videos of the ball dropping after 12 or 15 seconds, when players have allowed it to drop because they knew it was still moving. (And then received a shot penalty.)
The chance of it dropping after 30 seconds are infinitesimally smaller than the chance of it dropping after 10 seconds so it would definitely be a better rule as almost nobody would be hard done by with a pointless extra shot then.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Well, apparently, a ball dropped after 7 minutes................
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
So you have never witnessed it ? Just seen you tube videos
What if a ball is still moving after 20 seconds ?
It’s worth remembering that the 10 seconds starts when you get to the ball
Steven Rules
Well-known member
Actually, it is a penalty stroke.
If the ball falls into the hole after the ten second waiting time, the player has holed out with the previous stroke, but gets one penalty stroke added to the score for the hole. Rule 13.3a.
Same net effect. Not worth the debate over semantics in this instance. You say tomayto, I say tomahto.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Here's one I just thought up...
Your putt stops on the lip, you get there, give it 10 seconds, take your putter back, swing at the ball but it drops in before you make contact so you miss the ball..
Still just the 1 shot?
Your putt stops on the lip, you get there, give it 10 seconds, take your putter back, swing at the ball but it drops in before you make contact so you miss the ball..
Still just the 1 shot?
Steven Rules
Well-known member
I would like to see Model Local Rule F-5 (Immovable Obstructions Close to Putting Greens) expanded to cover all abnormal course conditions, not just immovable obstructions.
I would like to see a lot of simplification of the rules and procedures around a ball played from the putting green striking other 'things' (both animate and inanimate) on the putting green.
I would like to see clarity around the intent of 14.1b - only the player or anyone specifically authorised by the player may mark and lift the player’s ball. Currently there is no penalty if another player in stroke play does this. (Personally I'd advocate to DQ anybody who lifts my ball without my express authority but I recognise that 99.9% of the golfing community might think this is a tad harsh. Sigh.)
I would like to see a lot of simplification of the rules and procedures around a ball played from the putting green striking other 'things' (both animate and inanimate) on the putting green.
I would like to see clarity around the intent of 14.1b - only the player or anyone specifically authorised by the player may mark and lift the player’s ball. Currently there is no penalty if another player in stroke play does this. (Personally I'd advocate to DQ anybody who lifts my ball without my express authority but I recognise that 99.9% of the golfing community might think this is a tad harsh. Sigh.)
Swango1980
Well-known member
Well, I don't believe it did
Orikoru
Tour Winner
No it didn't..
HampshireHog
Assistant Pro
In match play
“playing from outside the teeing area” should be loss of hole
Playing a shot after a concession automatically means the concession was was declined.
“playing from outside the teeing area” should be loss of hole
Playing a shot after a concession automatically means the concession was was declined.
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