4BBB -Reductions

[PaulMdj]

Yesterday in our 4BBB Comp 5 pairs finished on 42pts.

This morning only 1 person in 3 of the groups have had a handicap reduction, the other 2 groups are showing nothing against any of the 4 players.

Can anyone explain why or what might of happened.

 

[D-S]

Yesterday in our 4BBB Comp 5 pairs finished on 42pts.

This morning only 1 person in 3 of the groups have had a handicap reduction, the other 2 groups are showing nothing against any of the 4 players.

Can anyone explain why or what might of happened.

You need to satisfy all the criteria, firstly the team needs to get 42 points or more - so 6 people did this.
Secondly a player needs to be on the card 9 times or more.
Thirdly, the scaled up score of a player who is on the card 9 times or more needs to be 36 points or more.
Seemingly 5 people didn't meet the last two criteria, this is quite common.

 

[salfordlad]

42 only requires a pair to not have a number of their best or worst holes on the same hole.

 

[D-S]

Bizarrely, if you have a handicap limit of say 12 in an 4BB comp and two 20 odd handicappers shoot the lights out off 12 but still only achieve 41 points but would have been 50 plus points off the standard 85% allowance, then this score is not forwarded to EG and their scores, despite being extremely good, are not 'acceptable' or 'eligible' so they wouldn't be cut.

 

[PaulMdj]

Bizarrely, if you have a handicap limit of say 12 in an 4BB comp and two 20 odd handicappers shoot the lights out off 12 but still only achieve 41 points but would have been 50 plus points off the standard 85% allowance, then this score is not forwarded to EG and their scores, despite being extremely good, are not 'acceptable' or 'eligible' so they wouldn't be cut.

I asked the question as I genuinely thought 42pts automatically meant a cut to one or both players (if scored on 9 each), looking at the point you made earlier about scaling up, I was wondering if it made a difference if both players were to put both scores down if both scored well on a hole,

ie, both players Par a hole with a shot and score 3 points, the player who was only on the card 8 times putted out first and only his score was marked on the card, the player on the card 10 times also had a par, but this score wasn’t recorded.

Would it make a difference in the scaling up process if both scores would of been entered on the scorecard?

 

[D-S]

I asked the question as I genuinely thought 42pts automatically meant a cut to one or both players (if scored on 9 each), looking at the point you made earlier about scaling up, I was wondering if it made a difference if both players were to put both scores down if both scored well on a hole,

ie, both players Par a hole with a shot and score 3 points, the player who was only on the card 8 times putted out first and only his score was marked on the card, the player on the card 10 times also had a par, but this score wasn’t recorded.

Would it make a difference in the scaling up process if both scores would of been entered on the scorecard?

Yes it would, EG try to discourage this practice, as you don't really want everyone to putt out all the time in this format for pace of play reasons, but do not go further than that.

I always say that you should play it as normal and not think of it as a potential qualifier, if you happen to play well then so be it but handicap movement should ot be the overreaching objective.

The whole 'acceptable score in 4BB' concept is about catching those who don't play well in singles but play well in team formats. It is perhaps preferable to trusting Handicap Committees to act on such players and this is automating a tiny bit of their job. Probably not a perfect rationale but merely a way of thinking of it.

 

[PaulMdj]

Yes it would, EG try to discourage this practice, as you don't really want everyone to putt out all the time in this format for pace of play reasons, but do not go further than that.

I always say that you should play it as normal and not think of it as a potential qualifier, if you happen to play well then so be it but handicap movement should ot be the overreaching objective.

The whole 'acceptable score in 4BB' concept is about catching those who don't play well in singles but play well in team formats. It is perhaps preferable to trusting Handicap Committees to act on such players and this is automating a tiny bit of their job. Probably not a perfect rationale but merely a way of thinking of it.

Makes perfect sense, a little bit of me still thinks having a set points total for a review to kick in and then not everyone on said total getting a reduction is slightly wrong.

Thanks for the reasoning.