Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
So you dont know it's 3 mins search time for a ball?
If you don't know the rules of golf, isn't it about time you started to learn them?
3 minutes to find ball
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If you don't know the rules of golf, isn't it about time you started to learn them?
Italian outcast
Hacker
I'm sure we can all agree that these (Ballhawksâ„¢) are the best solution
Wolf
Well-known member
Basic school learning teaches us counting doesn't equate to seconds. We count in different ways at different speeds depending how our brains process numbers we don't count in time we merely count numerically. They are 2 completely seperate and different mathematical factors.
Wolf
Well-known member
Funny thing here nobody has disagreed with the rule l, said they don't know the rule or want to flounce the rule. Yet some are being accused of being cheats merely because they don't get the countdown clock out but instead put trust in their playing partners.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Who doesn't know that? What??
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Yeah it just seems overly officious and daft really, like a level beyond what is needed. I trust that nobody will willfully keep looking beyond 3 minutes, and a group approximation of that time is all that's required. Setting a stopwatch for it just seems peculiarly anal and over-the-top. But I guess I wouldn't object if somebody did that. I'd just think they were a bit uptight, or something. I doubt anyone I play with will ever do it though.
Although I was partly joshing with it earlier, I do think it would be like getting out a measuring tape to measure the height of your drop, whereas most people can agree that 'around' knee height is fine. It's golf, it's a game, let's just get on with it.
robinthehood
Hacker
Hmmmm unlike guessing 3 mins, I know exactly where my knee is 😉
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
You said earlier...
Cheating is willfully breaking the rules, so if you don't know them you can't really be cheating.
I am saying that you know it's a 3 min search for your ball, and if by now you don't know the rules of golf isn't it time you did?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I think you're out of the loop on this one mate. I answered Chrisd's question which was about four hypothetical people who don't know any of the rules. It wasn't really related to the 3 minutes thing specifically, or related to me personally.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
You don't think anyone you play with would ever look at their watch when starting searching for a ball?
No, it's absolutely nothing like using a tape measure to measure a knee high drop - there is nothing finite about the height of a knee (nor do the rules give specific guidance on where to measure from), everyone's knee height is different, every single knee high drop can be legally, and precisely, different for the same person because of the slope of the ground and the ruling bodies have given guidance to rules officials that as long as its in the region of the knee and there's intent to drop from knee height its fine.
Otoh 3min is 3min
Orikoru
Tour Winner
You say that, but genuinely one of my mates doesn't know where his knee is apparently. In one our socials recently he took a drop from like, thigh height, and we told him that wasn't really knee height. "Yes it bloody was" was his reply. He was in a mood at having landed straight in the ditch though.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
So in the case of preferred lies
Does placing the ball within the stipulated length fall under 'finite' (like a unit of time) or 'intent'? (best endeavours/intention to meet the measure)
Cos no one is measuring that
rulefan
Tour Winner
The latter
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Why would that be?
6inches/scorecard length both seem pretty finite for the field and easily measurable (like time)
rulefan
Tour Winner
THe measurement doesn't have to made with a physical card, ruler or club.
As the RBs say:
There are many times when the Rules require a player to estimate or measure a spot, point, line, area or other location, such as when the player:
So long as the player did all that could be reasonably expected under the circumstances, the player gets no penalty for small inaccuracies, even if an advantage is gained.
As the RBs say:
There are many times when the Rules require a player to estimate or measure a spot, point, line, area or other location, such as when the player:
- Uses a ball-marker to mark a ball’s spot and then replace the ball, or
- Estimates the spot where the previous stroke was made when playing again under penalty of stroke and distance or when a stroke has been cancelled, or
- Needs to find a reference point or line for taking relief (such as the nearest point of complete relief or the line when taking unplayable ball relief), or to determine the extent of a relief area (such as measuring a fixed distance from a reference point).
- Estimates the location of his or her knee when dropping a ball.
So long as the player did all that could be reasonably expected under the circumstances, the player gets no penalty for small inaccuracies, even if an advantage is gained.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Makes me wonder why they've singled out a measure of time to be treated differently to a measure of distance (6 in)
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
No - but they's be very, very lucky to not break any rules - but of course none of the 4 ball would know when a rule was broken or someone cheated. Though I guess that if every player in the 4 ball knew precisely what every other player was doing, but none of them knew any of the rules - then none of them could actually cheat - cheating being deliberately breaking or not adhering to a rule and concealing that rule break from others who could call out the rule break
??? Dunno.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Something like because time is a factor that does not impact where a ball sits at rest once it is at rest (and there are rules for when it subsequently moves) and has nothing to do with actually playing a shot. Time is maybe simply the factor that is there to make the game flow and to limit the impact of player selfishness on other players.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Perhaps because 3 mins is just that, 180 seconds, whereas 6 inches alters depending on whether you're male , female or a fisherman
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
I have used my phone to time somebody and that was simply because it was the second time in a week that I had to remind him that it was now 3 minutes.
