robinthehood
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Possibly one of the most poorly thought out posts I have ever seen, and there have been a lot.
No one has said anything like what you are making out.
3 minutes to find ball
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Possibly one of the most poorly thought out posts I have ever seen, and there have been a lot.
No one has said anything like what you are making out.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
He did actually make quite a large leap from someone not wearing a watch to using a leather wedge in only two sentences.
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Deleted member 15344
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Just to clarify as it seems this has evolved
Whenever I go searching for my own ball I start my own timer on the trolley - that’s for my own benefit , I’ll take a glance when I think it’s three mins - if it’s over I stop and then go play my provisional
When going to help search for someone else’s ball - a quick glance at the time then search - after what I think his 3 mins a quick check and if it’s over just say it’s over three mins but by then I expect most will have already declared it lost etc
When someone finds the ball I’ll quickly check and if it’s over three I’ll say it looks like it’s over 3 mins - no issue
The problem with the comments on the thread is when someone suggested that if they knew the ball was found after the 3 mins they would be ok with ignoring it if it’s 20 seconds over then limit - that’s ignoring a clear rule in golf and a DQ
This is in competition golf - when playing with mates etc it’s a lot more relaxed etc
But if in a competition we need to follow the rules - it really is that simple surely
Whenever I go searching for my own ball I start my own timer on the trolley - that’s for my own benefit , I’ll take a glance when I think it’s three mins - if it’s over I stop and then go play my provisional
When going to help search for someone else’s ball - a quick glance at the time then search - after what I think his 3 mins a quick check and if it’s over just say it’s over three mins but by then I expect most will have already declared it lost etc
When someone finds the ball I’ll quickly check and if it’s over three I’ll say it looks like it’s over 3 mins - no issue
The problem with the comments on the thread is when someone suggested that if they knew the ball was found after the 3 mins they would be ok with ignoring it if it’s 20 seconds over then limit - that’s ignoring a clear rule in golf and a DQ
This is in competition golf - when playing with mates etc it’s a lot more relaxed etc
But if in a competition we need to follow the rules - it really is that simple surely
Orikoru
Tour Winner
So you would wait until they find the ball, and then break the news that they are just over the 3 minutes so have to play their provisional anyway? Wow. And you reckon they have no issue with that? Do people generally want to play rounds of golf with you?? If someone did that with me I'd think they were a tosser. Sorry but that's the truth.
I'll try and put it another way just so I'm not repeating myself any more than I probably have already. When my wife says she'll be home in half an hour, and she arrives home 32 minutes later, I don't ask her where the hell she's been and why she's later than the parameters that were outlined - but I imagine you would. No, in my mind 32 minutes is about half an hour so she was fine. So by the same token, if someone finds their golf ball in about 3 minutes, they're fine, and to my mind they haven't broken any rules. That's the way I choose to look at it, because life is too short to be faffing around with stopwatches just so you can take joy in penalising somebody, when the primary aim of golf, even in a competition, is to enjoy the round. I could not enjoy my round playing with someone who had a bloody stopwatch out when I'm trying to find my ball - just as I'm sure my wife would not enjoy being married to someone who yelled at her for being 2 mins later than the half an hour stated.
Wolf
Well-known member
Surely making the leap from someone not wearing a watch and calling what they think is time which even if a few seconds late then making monumental leap to saying that person would cheat in other ways such as leather wedge is in golfing vernacular equally as ludicrous.
Like @Jacko_G & @Orikoru i don't not wear a watch, my phone lives in my bag and my GPS doesn't have the time on the screen when the holes on screen. So us 3 searching for a ball would feel its around 3 mins and move on, or in this cas emaybe we find the ball we say it's within 3minutes but according to that same leather wedge post we could be potentially disqualified by Mr Fun Sponge who stood there with his stop watch and said excuse me your all disqualified because your letting him play his ball after 3mins & 2 seconds..
That to me highlights why the term dickhead was branded and why the subsequent post was made about making leaps from accusing someone of not wearing a watch to cheating in other ways. It ludicrous to assume someone cheats because they perhaps misjudged time by say less than 10seconds.
I don't wear a watch I don't put someone in the clock we start looking have a rough guesstimate which I'd say now knowing the limit is 3mins most searches end way before it as we don't want to hold people up or incur further penalties..
Sometimes people get so defensive of the rules they forget the human element, and trust we have in our playing partners..
robinthehood
Hacker
The issue is if you know that a ball is being played that shouldn't be as it was found past the deadline then that's not ok. That's all, no amount of words about common sense , fairness etc will change that.
If I found my ball after 3.10 I would be gutted but accept it's lost and play my provisional or what ever. It doesn't make me a rule baron or whatever it is.
Jacko_G
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I've played a few rounds with LP and I'd rather play golf with someone who knew the rules, than someone who doesn't.
And even in a social game, I'd have no problem with someone reminding me that my 3 mins searching for a ball was nearly up, especially if the course was busy and as such just common courtesy for not holding up the groups behind and slowing the pace of play.
chrisd
Major Champion
So you would wait until they find the ball, and then break the news that they are just over the 3 minutes so have to play their provisional anyway? Wow. And you reckon they have no issue with that? Do people generally want to play rounds of golf with you?? If someone did that with me I'd think they were a tosser. Sorry but that's the truth.
I'll try and put it another way just so I'm not repeating myself any more than I probably have already. When my wife says she'll be home in half an hour, and she arrives home 32 minutes later, I don't ask her where the hell she's been and why she's later than the parameters that were outlined - but I imagine you would. No, in my mind 32 minutes is about half an hour so she was fine. So by the same token, if someone finds their golf ball in about 3 minutes, they're fine, and to my mind they haven't broken any rules. That's the way I choose to look at it, because life is too short to be faffing around with stopwatches just so you can take joy in penalising somebody, when the primary aim of golf, even in a competition, is to enjoy the round. I could not enjoy my round playing with someone who had a bloody stopwatch out when I'm trying to find my ball - just as I'm sure my wife would not enjoy being married to someone who yelled at her for being 2 mins later than the half an hour stated.
But your wife is not strictly bound by any rules, but competitive golfers are, so there is absolutely no comparison to be made with that scenario. If you ignore a rule break on this rule what other rules transgressions are you willing to turn a blind eye to?
Jacko_G
Blackballed
What happens if your watch stops?
robinthehood
Hacker
I'll use my phone
robinthehood
Hacker
And the event that fails I'll just have to estimate.
Jacko_G
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
Don't you presume to know about our home life.
That's just not my interpretation of it. 3:10 is about 3 minutes in my book, just as 2:50 is. If it was nearer 4 mins then yeah, it's lost. Given that nobody ever times ball searches in my rounds, this is the only practical way to approach it.
As somebody touched upon earlier, even if you roughly time it by glancing at your phone before searching - let's say the time reads 14:24 - then you find the ball, glance back at your phone and it reads 14:27 - you may have been searching for 2 minutes and 2 seconds, or you may have been searching for 3 minutes and 58 seconds. So given that scope of variance using the timing method that the vast majority of people would use if they even use one at all, why be so precise as to penalise yourself or anyone else over 10 seconds? When, again, the vast majority of the field would have no idea if they were over by 10 seconds they're just estimating. That's just foolish on your part.
Colin L
Tour Winner
If he carries on without correcting the wrong ball, he is disqualified in singles stroke play. In singles match play, he loses the hole when he plays his original (wrong) ball. In Stableford he scores no points for that hole. In Four Ball (stroke and match play) he is disqualified from the hole only but his partner isn't.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
And you would 'estimate' that you'd taken 3 minutes and 10 seconds and give yourself a penalty??
Colin L
Tour Winner
[QUOTE="Orikoru, post: 2016691, member: 22581"
That's just not my interpretation of it. 3:10 is about 3 minutes in my book, just as 2:50 is. If it was nearer 4 mins then yeah, it's lost. Given that nobody ever times ball searches in my rounds, this is the only practical way to approach it.
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It is a matter of fact whether a search has gone on for 3 minutes or for more, a fact completely independent of whether player has timed it or not, timed it badly or was unduly generous in his "interpretation" of a very simple rule by stretching 3 minutes to "nearly 4".
That's just not my interpretation of it. 3:10 is about 3 minutes in my book, just as 2:50 is. If it was nearer 4 mins then yeah, it's lost. Given that nobody ever times ball searches in my rounds, this is the only practical way to approach it.
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It is a matter of fact whether a search has gone on for 3 minutes or for more, a fact completely independent of whether player has timed it or not, timed it badly or was unduly generous in his "interpretation" of a very simple rule by stretching 3 minutes to "nearly 4".
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Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
3 minutes is 3 minutes on the course. Once the time is up you have to continue with your provisional and that is just that. No I was only 12 seconds over or I thought I was inside 3 minutes.
No issues with what Phil wrote about telling someone that they were over their time limit as some people will take liberties with this.
I think I know him well enough to say that should the situation ever arise where someone exceeded the limits and played their ball which should have been declared lost under the new rules that he would refuse to sign the card. He is a stubborn bugger but I would do the same too
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
And I just replied to the wrong post there. Was meant to be a reply to @Orikoru
Jacko_G
Blackballed
Just be aware that by doing this you may transgress into the realms of using a leather wedge!
(Well according to some!)
