3 minutes to find ball
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TheJezster
Tour Rookie
I had to use my watch today! Couldn't find it after 3 minutes so lost the hole. Nice to win away again 😉Not me, I discovered that my Garmin S2, a fairly basic GPS watch, has the time display in minutes & seconds so no problems here
Unfortunately didn't stop The Jezster's lot dumping us out of the Surrey 5's though.
In all seriousness tho, anyone who hasn't played Cuddington should get down for a game. What a lovely course and clubhouse. The greens were immaculate, they really were.
I'll definitely go back again, thanks again for hosting!
anotherdouble
Journeyman Pro
Great course, great clubhouse, great carvery great members, oh hang on, there is always one exception to the rule😂
Blue in Munich
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rulie
Head Pro
Posts 45, 56, and 60 discuss "cheating".
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Temporarily lost my ball loads of times today. Twice I remembered after about 10 seconds to check the time on my phone. And both of those times I found the ball about 15 seconds later. Two other times I was just about to remember to get my phone out, and my mate shouted that he'd found my ball already. Another time I hadn't expected to lose it, the confusion of losing it unexpectedly made me forget to check the time. But it turned up about 30 seconds later. So same old same old really. 
Blue in Munich
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Pin-seeker
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Wow you guys are living life on the edge 🤣
Wolf
Well-known member
More concerning he let someone knowingly go over instead did letting them know to get on with it 😂
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Deleted member 15344
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Sorry but how did I “knowingly†go over ?
As for the rest of the post I guess you are missing a few words ? Not normal for you as you normally have plenty.
Wolf
Well-known member
🙄
Depends if they played the ball after it was found or not doesn’t it?
Wolf
Well-known member
Not getting into it again mate all that's need be said in this thread has been said. It was light hearted banter sadly some on here don't get.
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Deleted member 15344
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Light hearted ? Nah it was a snidey comment , you were quite happy to “get into it†when you made the comment though
But to help with your grey matter
I wasn’t stood there watching the clock - we were all searching and when someone said that’s it i then checked how long we took. Hope that helps with your limited understanding 🙄
Wolf
Well-known member
Not limited at all it's called being lighthearted, perhaps if you weren't so uptight you'd be more interesting..
Funny the other person quoted your post wasn't highlighted by you as a snide comment just me I wonder why that is 🤔
As per our usual exchanges I'll bow out allowing you the higher hallowed ground as it seems to be the only place you think you belong.. Until our next encounter Philip I bid you farewell 😉
Pin-seeker
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You really do need to chill out PhilðŸ‘ðŸ»
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And so yesterday - one very contentious incident but another three on another hole that made me wonder.
I'll not detail the really contentious one - suffice to say that commonsense and trust went out of the window. And we find Player A going to raise a 3min rule breach by Player B with the competition committee on grounds that Player B knowingly played a ball found after 3mins searching and so deliberate cheating. Player B very, very upset and going to write to club complaining about the aggressive and accusatory tone adopted by Player A - and complaining that he was called a cheat by Player A in front of 4 other members when he says he never cheats - and did not cheat this time.
Anyway - a few holes later
Three Ball all hits off tee
Player 1 - good tee shot but just runs out of fairway LHS into first cut light rough. But Player 1 (Eagle Eyes) knows pretty certain precisely where ball is;
Player 2 - low topped shot left into deep wispy clag. Players 2 and 3 not sure where it went - Player 1 (Eagle Eyes) watched it carefully and knows both the line to the ball and pretty certain where ball will have ended up in the rough.
Player 3 - high sky left. Players 2 and 3 not sure where it went - Player 1 (Eagle Eyes) watched it carefully and knows both the line to the ball and pretty certain where ball will have ended up in just into a stand of mature pine trees - pretty much clear ground underneath; and within maybe 10 yds short of where he knows his own ball to be.
Player 2 Situation
Player 1 walks down the line through the rough - scuffing through the long grass as he walks as you never know when you mind find another ball - towards where he is pretty certain Player 2's ball will be. And sure enough there it is. But if it had been Player 2 who had spotted line and position of his ball, and when he got to where he thought the ball was he didn't find it immediately. When did his search for the ball start? When he reached where he thought his ball was - or as he walked through the grass on the line to that place...looking for balls along the way?
Player 3 Situation
Player 3 is walking towards where Player 1 is telling him his ball is - but as Player 3 walks along he scuffs through the rough towards the stand of trees - just in case the ball didn't go exactly where Player 1 is telling him it was (and he might find other lost balls). Players 1 and 3 get to where Player 1 is confident Player 3's ball is - and within 10secs or so it is found. But when did Player 3's search start? As he walked towards where Player 1 was telling him his ball was - or as he scuffed his way along through the rough.
Player 1 Situation
In getting to where Player 3's ball is, Player 1 spots a ball in the light rough just where he would have expected it. Happy he knows where his ball is he doesn't look further and goes to help Player 3 find his, and then he waits for Player 3 to play his shot. Player 1 then goes to his ball - and it isn't a ball...a quick look maybe a minute or so - and he finds his ball nestled down a few yards further on. But when did Player 1's search start. When he spotted what he thought was his ball?
All on one hole - and common sense should prevail - but what do the rules say? Just need some clarifications on this to confirm my own thinking.
I'll not detail the really contentious one - suffice to say that commonsense and trust went out of the window. And we find Player A going to raise a 3min rule breach by Player B with the competition committee on grounds that Player B knowingly played a ball found after 3mins searching and so deliberate cheating. Player B very, very upset and going to write to club complaining about the aggressive and accusatory tone adopted by Player A - and complaining that he was called a cheat by Player A in front of 4 other members when he says he never cheats - and did not cheat this time.
Anyway - a few holes later
Three Ball all hits off tee
Player 1 - good tee shot but just runs out of fairway LHS into first cut light rough. But Player 1 (Eagle Eyes) knows pretty certain precisely where ball is;
Player 2 - low topped shot left into deep wispy clag. Players 2 and 3 not sure where it went - Player 1 (Eagle Eyes) watched it carefully and knows both the line to the ball and pretty certain where ball will have ended up in the rough.
Player 3 - high sky left. Players 2 and 3 not sure where it went - Player 1 (Eagle Eyes) watched it carefully and knows both the line to the ball and pretty certain where ball will have ended up in just into a stand of mature pine trees - pretty much clear ground underneath; and within maybe 10 yds short of where he knows his own ball to be.
Player 2 Situation
Player 1 walks down the line through the rough - scuffing through the long grass as he walks as you never know when you mind find another ball - towards where he is pretty certain Player 2's ball will be. And sure enough there it is. But if it had been Player 2 who had spotted line and position of his ball, and when he got to where he thought the ball was he didn't find it immediately. When did his search for the ball start? When he reached where he thought his ball was - or as he walked through the grass on the line to that place...looking for balls along the way?
Player 3 Situation
Player 3 is walking towards where Player 1 is telling him his ball is - but as Player 3 walks along he scuffs through the rough towards the stand of trees - just in case the ball didn't go exactly where Player 1 is telling him it was (and he might find other lost balls). Players 1 and 3 get to where Player 1 is confident Player 3's ball is - and within 10secs or so it is found. But when did Player 3's search start? As he walked towards where Player 1 was telling him his ball was - or as he scuffed his way along through the rough.
Player 1 Situation
In getting to where Player 3's ball is, Player 1 spots a ball in the light rough just where he would have expected it. Happy he knows where his ball is he doesn't look further and goes to help Player 3 find his, and then he waits for Player 3 to play his shot. Player 1 then goes to his ball - and it isn't a ball...a quick look maybe a minute or so - and he finds his ball nestled down a few yards further on. But when did Player 1's search start. When he spotted what he thought was his ball?
All on one hole - and common sense should prevail - but what do the rules say? Just need some clarifications on this to confirm my own thinking.
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rulie
Head Pro
My opinion, when the player reaches the area were his ball is likely to be and begins to search that area.
As to Rules, see the definition of lost
As to Rules, see the definition of lost
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And if he starts looking in the wrong place - or during the search starts looking in what others know to be the wrong place?
Player 3 thinks his ball might have caught up short in the long rough short of where Player 1 tells him to look - and starts looking - even although Player 1 tells him not to bother as he is looking in the wrong place.
Player 1 was in the right area when he spotted what he thought was his ball. In making that 'spot' was that the start of him looking? He didn't identify his ball or say - I've found my ball. And of course when he went to play it he could well have been past 3mins from when he thought he had spotted it (I will note that he wasn't - but easily could have been)
If it had not been Player 1 scuffing through the rough towards Player 2's ball - but it had been Player 2 himself - does Player 2's 3mins start when he reaches the area he thinks his ball is in the rough - or as walks slowly towards it - checking the rough - just in case it had got caught up short.
We are not talking minutes over 3mins - but depending upon when the clock starts all three could have been just 10s of seconds over time. And rules is rules - and it was a competition.
And yes I know the rules haven't changes - just the time allowed - but just from my experience yesterday an understanding of the start time and actually timing of a search are going to be a bit more critical - and contentious - as I had earlier discovered. Never in all my years playing had I experienced such a heated stand-off.
rulefan
Tour Winner
The search starts when the player reaches the area where he believes it is likely to be.
I would say 2 was not searching initially, 3 was.
I would suggest Player 1 is covered by 18.2a(1)/3 - Failure to identify ball
I would say 2 was not searching initially, 3 was.
I would suggest Player 1 is covered by 18.2a(1)/3 - Failure to identify ball
