chrisd
Major Champion
Pleasure
3 minutes to find ball
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Colin L
Tour Winner
To clarify the
May I clear up some misunderstandings here? A player who does not time a search is not breaking any rule and cannot consequently be ignoring one.
A player who plays his original ball after an unsuccessful 3 minutes search, not knowing that the 3 minutes has elapsed has played a wrong ball but doesn't know it. Chances are no-one else knows it either and the game just goes on. The player cannot not deliberately fail to apply a penalty he did not know he had incurred. He has, however, unwittingly gained an unfair advantage over others in the field which is the principal reason for saying the players in a competition should time their searches and, in the interests of fairness and getting things right- should do the timing with something that actually measures the passage of time. ( I use should in the same way as the Rules.)
To agree to ignore a rule requires at least two players and requires an agreement actually to be made. That requires words to pass between or amongst them. In terms of the Rule, there can be no such thing as a tacit agreement. Also, it's worth noting that the breach of this rule is by making an agreement . If two of you made an agreement to ignore the wrong ball penalty in the current context, you could go through an entire round without even a single search and you are still in breach of Rule 1.3b(1).
As a postscript, on the matter of playing fair by the rest of the players in a comp and meeting your obligations, you might like to look at Rule 20.1c
May I clear up some misunderstandings here? A player who does not time a search is not breaking any rule and cannot consequently be ignoring one.
A player who plays his original ball after an unsuccessful 3 minutes search, not knowing that the 3 minutes has elapsed has played a wrong ball but doesn't know it. Chances are no-one else knows it either and the game just goes on. The player cannot not deliberately fail to apply a penalty he did not know he had incurred. He has, however, unwittingly gained an unfair advantage over others in the field which is the principal reason for saying the players in a competition should time their searches and, in the interests of fairness and getting things right- should do the timing with something that actually measures the passage of time. ( I use should in the same way as the Rules.)
To agree to ignore a rule requires at least two players and requires an agreement actually to be made. That requires words to pass between or amongst them. In terms of the Rule, there can be no such thing as a tacit agreement. Also, it's worth noting that the breach of this rule is by making an agreement . If two of you made an agreement to ignore the wrong ball penalty in the current context, you could go through an entire round without even a single search and you are still in breach of Rule 1.3b(1).
As a postscript, on the matter of playing fair by the rest of the players in a comp and meeting your obligations, you might like to look at Rule 20.1c
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Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
And I think that wraps things up quite nicely. Nice little thread, not as meaty as ‘Socks’ or ‘Where to stand on a tee’ but it fulfilled its potential
Enjoy your games over the weekend everyone
<group hug smiley>
Enjoy your games over the weekend everyone
<group hug smiley>
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But but but I'm still not sure if I have to time the 3 minutes or if I can guess how long
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Thank god this 3 minute rule change hasn't actually happened yet, otherwise it could be mayhem out there 
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
This thread has highlighted something we can all look forward to!! It seems to have slipped many peoples attention....
WE WILL HAVE NO MORE SLOW PLAY THREADS!!!! WHOOP WHOOP!
Why? How come?
Well, no one carries a watch anymore or has their phone on! So the reality is they don't know whether they are slow or fast. This is great news forum, we can all rejoice!
WE WILL HAVE NO MORE SLOW PLAY THREADS!!!! WHOOP WHOOP!
Why? How come?
Well, no one carries a watch anymore or has their phone on! So the reality is they don't know whether they are slow or fast. This is great news forum, we can all rejoice!
chrisd
Major Champion
But but but I'm still not sure if I have to time the 3 minutes or if I can guess how long
At your age Darren you'll know - just treat it as the gap between wee stops ðŸ˜
Still going, As Darth Vader said in the Empire Strikes back.... "Impressive, most Impressive"
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
I still can't get past the unwillingness of many to accept the fact that if no-one (to coin a phrase) is making any effort to time a search, then no-one has the faintest idea of how long they are actually looking. Timing will never be exact, but it has to be better than nothing.
Pleased to see that some have said they might now glance at a phone or something
Pleased to see that some have said they might now glance at a phone or something
rulefan
Tour Winner
berniethebolt
Newbie
My goodness! Didn't realise what I was starting when I posted the original query!
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Colin L
Tour Winner
As a practical gesture to players who find it inconvenient to carry a watch, I have been developing ideas on how to adapt my GoKart trolley (shameless piece of product placement there) to help them. So far, the prototype needs a bit of refinement to be useful. You'd need to count the ticks for accuracy to the second and the pendulum would have a better chance of working if it were mounted upright.... but I'm working on it.
And with that, it's goodbye from me on this topic.
And with that, it's goodbye from me on this topic.
bobmac
Major Champion
So to sum up.....
One side says
You need to be able to time your 3 minute search accurately.
The other side says
Nah, I'll just give it my best guess.
First side
That's not good enough, it could result in cheating.
Other side
Maybe I will have a quick look at my phone for a rough idea.
First side
Still not good enough, must try harder
Other side
Tough.
One side says
You need to be able to time your 3 minute search accurately.
The other side says
Nah, I'll just give it my best guess.
First side
That's not good enough, it could result in cheating.
Other side
Maybe I will have a quick look at my phone for a rough idea.
First side
Still not good enough, must try harder
Other side
Tough.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
chrisd
Major Champion
Pretty spot on to my summing up too. As luck would have it I've only to worry about my own actions with regard to the rules ðŸ˜
rulefan
Tour Winner
One side says
You need to be able to time your 3 minute search accurately.
The other side says
Nah, I'll just give it my best guess.
First side
That's not good enough, it could result in your gaining an advantage.
Other side
Maybe I will have a quick look at my phone for a rough idea.
First side
Still not good enough, must try harder
Other side
Tough.
First side
OK
You need to be able to time your 3 minute search accurately.
The other side says
Nah, I'll just give it my best guess.
First side
That's not good enough, it could result in your gaining an advantage.
Other side
Maybe I will have a quick look at my phone for a rough idea.
First side
Still not good enough, must try harder
Other side
Tough.
First side
OK
chrisd
Major Champion
No second hand Colin ?
bobmac
Major Champion
chrisd
Major Champion
Potentially Bob, potentially ðŸ‘
