2x2ball Matches in a group of four

[Voyager EMH]

We have the opposite club rule

Matches do not have priority on the course. Introduced simply because matches are likely to be slower than social games. Usual faster game should let a slower game through apply.

Would that rule apply if a county seniors team match was held at your club? A social 2-ball social turns up behind them and the team matches let them through, because the 2-ball is quicker?

 

[jim8flog]

The one time I have done this was playing away in an interclub knockout singles match. There was a society playing in 4 balls in front of us and the club manager asked us to play in the 2 x 2 format because he had realised the society were very slow from their morning rounds. We at first said no but on the 3rd tee there was 3 groups of 2 so carried on as 2x2 balls - it worked reasonably well with each match teeing off before the other and one match finishing on the green before the other putted.

 

[D-S]

The OP is about a 2-ball match among 4-ball social games.
At my club the 4-ball social games are obliged to let the 2-ball matchplay club comp through.
The 2-ball is never obliged to join with another two ball to have their 3-hour game slowed to a 4-hour game.
This is how it is done at my club. Social games are obliged to give way to the club comp and not hold them up. The club comp takes precedence.

All other tiresome comments and question were answered in my previous posts, if they are read carefully enough. Can't be bothered addressing them in any more detail - too tiresome.
If you don't like this approach from me - make you own answers up.

I did state,
eg: Within reason. Common sense prevailing.

And if a 2 ball social game is held up by a 4 ball club knockout is this when the rule is ignored and common sense prevails?

 

[jim8flog]

Would that rule apply if a county seniors team match was held at your club? A social 2-ball social turns up behind them and the team matches let them through, because the 2-ball is quicker?

A said normal priorities apply. When it comes to certain matches there is a buffer zone for tee times to allow matches to get away without being squeezed from behind. I think most members are sensible when it comes to groups of matches in front. The biggest problem used to be when it was just one game holding up the entire field behind them, although some have to be reminded about the rule.

 

[Voyager EMH]

And if a 2 ball social game is held up by a 4 ball club knockout is this when the rule is ignored and common sense prevails?

We don't have a men's 4-ball knockout. Even the mixed knockout is foursomes.
But hypothetically,
The rule is not ignored, it is understood, and common sense would apply as you say.
Within reason, common sense prevailing, club comps take precedence over social games.
A 2-ball can expect to be let through by 4-balls and 3-balls playing social golf.

A social 2-ball may not expect to be let through a organised team match. This does not preclude the matches from letting them through, within reason, common sense prevailing, but they are not obliged to do so. The organised club match is not obliged to be slowed by letting through social games, but may do so, within reason, common sense prevailing.

I'll just keep posting the same words over and over if that is what the majority want.
Or just read my previous posts more carefully.

I changed my mind about answering questions n detail. Seemed rather unhelpful, impolite and brusque when I read my post over.

 

[Voyager EMH]

A said normal priorities apply. When it comes to certain matches there is a buffer zone for tee times to allow matches to get away without being squeezed from behind. I think most members are sensible when it comes to groups of matches in front. The biggest problem used to be when it was just one game holding up the entire field behind them, although some have to be reminded about the rule.

That doesn't answer my question. Would county seniors matches against another county let club 2-ball social game through, because the 2-ball is quicker?

Despite a buffer-zone of tee-off times, a 2-ball could easily close that gap within 9 or 12 holes and then be held up significantly.

 

[D-S]

That doesn't answer my question. Would county seniors matches against another county let club 2-ball social game through, because the 2-ball is quicker?

Despite a buffer-zone of tee-off times, a 2-ball could easily close that gap within 9 or 12 holes and then be held up significantly.

I thought you were not in favour of ‘imagined scenarios’?

 

[Voyager EMH]

I thought you were not in favour of ‘imagined scenarios’?

I wonder where I got the idea from.
They do seem quite popular don't they.

 

[D-S]

I wonder where I got the idea from.
They do seem quite popular don't they.

What, from my experience of playing at clubs with entitled members and rules?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The one time I have done this was playing away in an interclub knockout singles match. There was a society playing in 4 balls in front of us and the club manager asked us to play in the 2 x 2 format because he had realised the society were very slow from their morning rounds. We at first said no but on the 3rd tee there was 3 groups of 2 so carried on as 2x2 balls - it worked reasonably well with each match teeing off before the other and one match finishing on the green before the other putted.

We have seen it regularly at clubs were scratch a and b matches organised together and go out in 4’s at the weekend

 

[Arthur Wedge]

We have the opposite club rule

Matches do not have priority on the course. Introduced simply because matches are likely to be slower than social games. Usual faster game should let a slower game through apply.

That’s the same at ours

No priority on the course and also asked not to booked tee time as a 2ball before 12 on a Saturday unless they are in the understanding that another 2 may join them

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You’re massively over thinking this and if you can’t consolidate things in your head speak to the committee and seek an extension explaining issue with tee bookings.

Otherwise play to the normal rules and come to an agreement with the others that one pair always tees off and No1&2 in whatever order of who won the hole the others do the same as 3&4.

I’m not overthinking anything…I’m just interested in what the rules say. Because I’m interested.

That aside I’d like to know what to say if a player in the other match started checking out a line in my match.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The only Rule I can think of that could be broken is 10.2 by asking for advice from a player in the other match. There is also Clarification 10.2a/2: you would need to stop a player in the other match from giving you advice.

Thankyou. That’s all I’ve been asking if there is anything I should be aware of…and not necessarily about my match.

 

[rulie]

I’m not overthinking anything…I’m just interested in what the rules say. Because I’m interested.

That aside I’d like to know what to say if a player in the other match started checking out a line in my match.

I would just ask him to move because it's distracting you, and that he should be respectful of his opponent. Maybe his opponent would object also.
It's best to sort these things out before the match(es) begin - things like which match will tee off first on the front nine and the match that putts first (usually the ball furthest from the hole) will putt out completely before the other match begins putting. It's not rocket science!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I would just ask him to move because it's distracting you, and that he should be respectful of his opponent. Maybe his opponent would object also.
It's best to sort these things out before the match(es) begin - things like which match will tee off first on the front nine and the match that putts first (usually the ball furthest from the hole) will putt out completely before the other match begins putting. It's not rocket science!

I know it’s not rocket science (I actually used to do that sort of thing in my first job ) - I’ll reiterate…I’m actually just interested in what the rules might say that could be of relevance in my scenario…and I think I have that from @Colin L

 

[rulie]

I know it’s not rocket science (I actually used to do that sort of thing in my first job ) - I’ll reiterate…I’m actually just interested in what the rules might say that could be of relevance in my scenario…and I think I have that from @Colin L

That's good that Colin provided that specific guidance. There aren't many other Rules that govern these situations, but it is all about conscience and abiding by the spirit of the Rules and game. IMO, anyone who abuses those will soon be known and sorted appropriately.

 

[Colin L]

Thankyou. That’s all I’ve been asking if there is anything I should be aware of…and not necessarily about my match.

You're welcome. Another possibility is 4.1b(2) - borrowing a club. Neither that or 10.2 is, of course, unique to the situation of two matches playing alongside each other and I can't think of anything that would be.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You're welcome. Another possibility is 4.1b(2) - borrowing a club. Neither that or 10.2 is, of course, unique to the situation of two matches playing alongside each other and I can't think of anything that would be.

Just on that…if I were to lend a club to someone in the other match - who gets the penalty?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Just on that…if I were to lend a club to someone in the other match - who gets the penalty?

I’m more confused every time I read this thread. You’ve stated you’re not over thinking things but now you’re asking about the penalty of lending someone a club.

If you’re playing in a course in any sort of match why would you even consider lending someone a club.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I’m more confused every time I read this thread. You’ve stated you’re not over thinking things but now you’re asking about the penalty of lending someone a club.

If you’re playing in a course in any sort of match why would you even consider lending someone a club.

I’m only interested in the rules around this…not anything that I expect could in any great likelihood in my match actually happen. Just the rules. It’s good to know.