2022 World Cup.

[Voyager EMH]

The other factor that needs to be taken into account is why it's always attacking players that get mentioned during discussions of the best ever players. Maybe the discussion should be best ever XI rather than best player. This has the added advantage of extending the argument to cover every position on the pitch.

Then we can argue if it's Buffon/Neuer/Zoff/Kahn/Schmeichel/Banks for the GK position.

Baresi/Maldini/Cafu/Beckenbauer/Carlos/Moore in defence.

Zidane/Matthaus/Xavi/Iniesta/Platini/Cruyff/Zico in midfield.

And Ronaldo x 2/Messi/Puskas/Pele/Di Stefano/Gerd Muller/Eusebio/Maradonna/Origi in attack.

Having named all of the players above I'm not sure that I could pick a best Xi and would probably need to pick two teams just to make sure that I got everyone in that deserves a mention.

I like this view. Football is a team game. An attempt at goal thwarted (I shun the word "denied") is equal to a goal scored in the arithmetic of the final score.
But it is always those flair players that get the attention.
Two world XIs, what a great idea. I like your choices. Were you limiting your picks to those who had taken part in a world cup? Otherwise, where is George Best?
My personal view was that Pat Jennings was equal with Banks, though I don't expect many to agree with me.
Pele was so outstanding that his contemporaries in that great team of 1970 often go overlooked. Jairzinho would be ahead of Gerd Muller in my book.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I'm glad someone doesn't think it was tarnished as it included penalties

I did always wonder why a pen scored in a shoot out doesn't count towards the total! Still a goal

 

[ColchesterFC]

I like this view. Football is a team game. An attempt at goal thwarted (I shun the word "denied") is equal to a goal scored in the arithmetic of the final score.
But it is always those flair players that get the attention.
Two world XIs, what a great idea. I like your choices. Were you limiting your picks to those who had taken part in a world cup? Otherwise, where is George Best?
My personal view was that Pat Jennings was equal with Banks, though I don't expect many to agree with me.
Pele was so outstanding that his contemporaries in that great team of 1970 often go overlooked. Jairzinho would be ahead of Gerd Muller in my book.

It wasn't designed as an exhaustive list, it was simply the best players in each position that popped into my head as I was typing. And Divock Origi.

Also realised after I'd posted it that the side might be a bit unbalanced without a Makele type midfielder in there.

 

[Swango1980]

I did always wonder why a pen scored in a shoot out doesn't count towards the total! Still a goal

Yeah, but I guess it isn't a goal in the normal course of play. The penalties in a shootout are not "earned".

Likewise, I'd be disappointed as a keeper if I didn't get the Golden Glove, having got 7 clean sheets, but conceded 9 or 10 penalties in a few shoot outs

 

[clubchamp98]

What if keeper saves penalty, but the penalty taker scores the rebound. Would you allow that to count as a goal?

I would say yes as all the other players and the ball are back in play once the keeper has saved it.
There is lots about this subject online it’s quite interesting.

 

[clubchamp98]

I'm glad someone doesn't think it was tarnished as it included penalties

He only scored one “proper goal” imo.
I wonder what Sir Geoff Hurst thinks.?

 

[clubchamp98]

I did always wonder why a pen scored in a shoot out doesn't count towards the total! Still a goal

All five would need to be taken even if losing 4-0.
It would be unfair on the non taker to be denied his “ goal”

 

[clubchamp98]

Yeah, but I guess it isn't a goal in the normal course of play. The penalties in a shootout are not "earned".

Likewise, I'd be disappointed as a keeper if I didn't get the Golden Glove, having got 7 clean sheets, but conceded 9 or 10 penalties in a few shoot outs

What about a striker who scores open play goals but is beaten to the golden boot by a penalty taker ,no sympathy for him but lots for a keeper.

 

[Swango1980]

I would say yes as all the other players and the ball are back in play once the keeper has saved it.
There is lots about this subject online it’s quite interesting.

So, striker hits the perfect penalty, you don't allow it. He hits an absolute duffer, keeper saves it, but striker gets a tap in, you allow it.

Honestly, I don't think your proposal will ever catch on

 

[clubchamp98]

So, striker hits the perfect penalty, you don't allow it. He hits an absolute duffer, keeper saves it, but striker gets a tap in, you allow it.

Honestly, I don't think your proposal will ever catch on

Catch on !
Penalties were not included in the golden boot years ago
It’s a recent inclusion.

 

[Neilds]

Why are the BBC celebrating the 'mind games' of the Argentine keeper during the shoot out? Throwing the ball away, etc is cheating to me and he should not be made out to be some kind of hero. The sooner commentators, journalists, etc start to call out cheating it may hit home with the players and they might start to tone it down a bit. (or probably not!)

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Why are the BBC celebrating the 'mind games' of the Argentine keeper during the shoot out? Throwing the ball away, etc is cheating to me and he should not be made out to be some kind of hero. The sooner commentators, journalists, etc start to call out cheating it may hit home with the players and they might start to tone it down a bit. (or probably not!)

Which rule did he break?

 

[Swango1980]

Question: How do FIFA select the Golden Glove winner?

Martinez from Argentina won it. However, in world cup he conceded 2 against Saudi Arabia, 1 against Australia, 2 against Netherlands, 3 against France and 3 clean sheets (total of 8 goals, avg 1.14 per game)

England conceded 2 against Iran, 2 against France and 3 clean sheets (total of 4 goals, avg of 0.8 per game).

Morocco conceded 1 against Canada, 2 against France and 4 clean sheets (total of 2 goals, avg 0.5 per game) - I think they might have had a different keeper for 1 game, but still impressive.

 

[Swango1980]

Catch on !
Penalties were not included in the golden boot years ago
It’s a recent inclusion.

Beheadings and slavery were allowed years ago, but I don't think either will "catch on" anytime soon either

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Beheadings and slavery were allowed years ago, but I don't think either will "catch on" anytime soon either

Unless you’re the country that has just hosted the World Cup!

 

[Orikoru]

Which rule did he break?

He did getting a booking so presumably there was one. Throwing/kicking the ball away?

 

[Neilds]

Which rule did he break?

Delaying the restart of play, unsporting behaviour - neither allowed under Law 12

 

[Orikoru]

Question: How do FIFA select the Golden Glove winner?

Martinez from Argentina won it. However, in world cup he conceded 2 against Saudi Arabia, 1 against Australia, 2 against Netherlands, 3 against France and 3 clean sheets (total of 8 goals, avg 1.14 per game)

England conceded 2 against Iran, 2 against France and 3 clean sheets (total of 4 goals, avg of 0.8 per game).

Morocco conceded 1 against Canada, 2 against France and 4 clean sheets (total of 2 goals, avg 0.5 per game) - I think they might have had a different keeper for 1 game, but still impressive.

I thought it was most clean sheets but not sure the next criteria.

From Wiki
The Golden Glove award is awarded to the best goalkeeper of the tournament. The award was introduced with the name "Lev Yashin Award" in 1994, in honor of the late Soviet goalkeeper.[6] It was rechristened "Golden Glove" in 2010. The FIFA Technical Study Group recognises the top goalkeeper of the tournament based on the player's performance throughout the final competition.

Turns out it's not even clean sheets, they just make it up!

 

[clubchamp98]

Beheadings and slavery were allowed years ago, but I don't think either will "catch on" anytime soon either

Been reading up and apparently it was a goalkeeper who invented a pen .
Bit like turkeys voting for Xmas.

Can’t find anything about beheadings in the rules losing a leg was a possibility during Smith/ Hunter era.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

He did getting a booking so presumably there was one. Throwing/kicking the ball away?

I thought he got the booking before the following penalty?

Whichever, it obviously worked and he has a WC winner’s medal.