2022 World Cup.

[Deleted member 21784]

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Let’s imagine though he’s Kane and he strolls around doing nothing but scores a penalty.
This Forum and commentary would be having a field day.
Dixon must have called him a genius 10 times.

But kane created so many goals and people just see him not running full speed and that's it .. he's lazy

It's a very British thing..if a player puts in effort hes amazing .. if he doesn't he's lazy ..

Some of the most gifted players play at walking pace ..

Sheringham had a yard in his head

 

[Backache]

But kane created so many goals and people just see him not running full speed and that's it .. he's lazy

It's a very British thing..if a player puts in effort hes amazing .. if he doesn't he's lazy ..

Some of the most gifted players play at walking pace ..

Sheringham had a yard in his head

Generally speaking the very best sportsman are pretty damn fast, goes for golfers in their swing as well.
It's the efficient ,coordination and economy of effort that makes them appear leisurely.

Messi has always walked around a fair bit to preserve effort for when it can be used most effectively but at his peak he was very quick indeed, even now his speed of footwork is phenomenal even if his raw pace is less than it was.

 

[Orikoru]

But kane created so many goals and people just see him not running full speed and that's it .. he's lazy

It's a very British thing..if a player puts in effort hes amazing .. if he doesn't he's lazy ..

Some of the most gifted players play at walking pace ..

Sheringham had a yard in his head

Berbatov springs to mind. And Le Tissier - how he only got less than 10 caps I'll never know.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Generally speaking the very best sportsman are pretty damn fast, goes for golfers in their swing as well.
It's the efficient ,coordination and economy of effort that makes them appear leisurely.

Messi has always walked around a fair bit to preserve effort for when it can be used most effectively but at his peak he was very quick indeed, even now his speed of footwork is phenomenal even if his raw pace is less than it was.

Messi could easily go into his 40s as his skill and ability to read a game is still so sharp. He changes and moves positions to still be the best in the world

He could walk around a pitch and still put most defenders on the floor

 

[Backache]

Messi could easily go into his 40s as his skill and ability to read a game is still so sharp. He changes and moves positions to still be the best in the world

He could walk around a pitch and still put most defenders on the floor

Yup he's a fabulous player.

 

[fundy]

This should clear up whether it was a pen or not lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602995401673555975

 

[Orikoru]

This should clear up whether it was a pen or not lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602995401673555975

Haha. That is a superb comparison to be fair.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Berbatov springs to mind. And Le Tissier - how he only got less than 10 caps I'll never know.

why is it that, particularly in this Country it seems, that we equate effort with skill and competence.
Imagine a modern day surgeon ( maybe there is one?) who says
” Couldn’t do the exams very well, but I was rated great because I tried very hard”

 

[nickjdavis]

Berbatov springs to mind. And Le Tissier - how he only got less than 10 caps I'll never know.

He played for an unfashionable side.

 

[clubchamp98]

This should clear up whether it was a pen or not lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602995401673555975

When you look at that though one was given and one wasn’t.
Just the wrong way around.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

He played for an unfashionable side.

Maybe the managers back then knew he was a massive bell end before we all did!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Maybe the managers back then knew he was a massive bell end before we all did!

If that was applied to selecting players then managers are going to be massively hamstrung ?

 

[Golfmmad]

Or if Bestie had to play against the athletic, super fit defenders Messi has to play against (P.S. I love Georgie Best)

It still wouldn't matter to Best, he'd still run rings round them. ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It still wouldn't matter to Best, he'd still run rings round them. ?

He wouldn't keep up with modern fitness standards

Old footballers on the lash the night before

 

[Backache]

He wouldn't keep up with modern fitness standards

Old footballers on the lash the night before

Or maybe he'd have not been on the lash because of the supervision and culture of modern football.
At his best he was fast and fit.
I'm lucky enough to have seen both Best and Messi play and though I think Messi is the best player I've ever seen Best was pretty damn good.

 

[GreiginFife]

The debate on generational footballers is one with far too many variables. Maybe Best's style wouldn't be suited to the modern fast/athletic game. He was, no doubt a great player but he was great comparative to his peers (as that is all you can reliably compare him to) and possibly it was the culture and behaviours that suited his game and style.

Safer just to say that they are all great players and that they were the best in their generation.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Was the ref conned there? In the penalty area.? See at half time maybe.

 

[clubchamp98]

Was the ref conned there? In the penalty area.? See at half time maybe.

Yes can’t see what the Moroccan player did to deserve a yellow.
Wonder if VAR had a look, they don’t tell you.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I can't stand the way this commentator pronounces griezmann

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Was the ref conned there? In the penalty area.? See at half time maybe.

I wondered that... But the Moroccan player didn't complain so can only assume ref got it right.