2022 World Cup.

[Deleted member 1740]

End of day we can look for reasons. Griemans who played the ball in should have been off the pitch , rabiot should have been off with his constant yellow card offences

The pen not in first half, the foul in build up

All that but we played well , I think the entire team can hold their heads high we gave the world champs a good game we didn't go missing and nobody hide

Clutching at straws here.

It wasnt a pen because the initial foul was outside the box.

The foul on Saka should've been given but even then there was enough oppurtunnities to win the ball back.

Pickford should be saving that shot though.

Maguire has to do better.

Blaming the ref just makes you sound stupid.

At 2-1 down with 20 muns to go the subs were wrong and predictable.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Disappointing

5 Things from last night

Saka was great, an absolute torment
Walker also did well, Mbappe was kept pretty much locked up
The ref didn’t help England
Overall the team played well
Southgate should at least see out his contract

Morocco ??????? ?? ???????

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Clutching at straws here.

It wasnt a pen because the initial foul was outside the box.

The foul on Saka should've been given but even then there was enough oppurtunnities to win the ball back.

Pickford should be saving that shot though.

Maguire has to do better.

Blaming the ref just makes you sound stupid.

At 2-1 down with 20 muns to go the subs were wrong and predictable.

That's what I'm saying you could look for reasons but even still we played well and we're unlucky not to score more

Lloris was fantastic keeping out Bellingham and he got in Kane's head for that pen

Thought our corners weren't up to scratch

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The commentator on the two occasions that England lost a goal.
'England will have to come from behind to win this now'

No Poo Sherlock

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s the same old story with England - they have a core of players that are good enough, some that are outstanding and some that shouldn’t be on the plane

England just can’t beat a top team when it matters because during the games when there are key moments they fail to deliver

For the first 15-20 mins France midfield dominated the game , Greizmann was controlling the game and the wide players causing a lot of issues - then Rice, Henderson and Bellingham found their feet and as a three were superb , Rice does do a lot of the dirty unseen work but imo he doesn’t press enough but that’s because he is protecting a poor CB who shouldn’t be on the pitch , Walker was brilliant - Mbappe got past him a few times but with Rice , Saka and Henderson controlled him very well , Stones is solid enough - Maguire just isnt an international CB - he can head a ball but his movement, ball at his feet , game intelligence is championship standard, Shaw didn’t have a great start - seemed be exposing himself but grew into the game

Midfield did what you want them to do once they got into - the three of them have been some of Englands best players

The front three - Saka , wow - he was Englands Mbappe , criminal that he was taken off , Foden was quiet at times but still provided some good moments, and Kane - missed two great chances to win that game for England but he should have been replaced by Wilson

And then there is the manager - he is half the reason why they will fall short - his insistence to stick with certain players , he poor substitutions, his inability to get the best out of some of the best players in England and some that didn’t even go on the plane

England with a better manager would be winning that World Cup

 

[Deleted member 1740]

They have surprised me, but still I think Kane is too slow and Sterling has no delivery.

A perfect description of Evri

 

[Fromtherough]

I can’t really argue with the outcome. Two poor goals to concede defensively and we missed a penalty. It was a tight, competitive game with the current world champions. We had chances and perhaps didn’t get the rub of the green. The ref was poor, but only a small part of the reason we didn’t win.

What Southgate provides is a galvanised team. England have always had quality players but he’s found a way to translate that to the team. For that reason and the fact there’s no stand out successor, I think Southgate should stay. With the results going the way they did, this was a brilliant opportunity to win the entire thing. And I think that is what is hardest to swallow. We just might not be as good as the media perceive our ‘world class’ players to be.

That said, Southgate should have been more proactive in the last half hour. The French defending was cynical and rash. Saka should have been left on and they should have brought Grealish on much earlier to draw fouls and run at their dodgy defenders.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Clutching at straws here.

It wasnt a pen because the initial foul was outside the box.

The foul on Saka should've been given but even then there was enough oppurtunnities to win the ball back.

Pickford should be saving that shot though.

Maguire has to do better.

Blaming the ref just makes you sound stupid.

At 2-1 down with 20 muns to go the subs were wrong and predictable.

I'm surprised at you not knowing the rules Stu. It doesn't matter if the initial foul is outside the box. If the foul continues into the box then it's a penalty. Where the initial foul happens is irrelevant.

Not that I'm saying I thought it should've been a penalty as I haven't yet seen a definitive angle that shows the foul was inside the box. It was close to the line but without seeing another angle I'm not sure.

 

[pokerjoke]

It’s the same old story with England - they have a core of players that are good enough, some that are outstanding and some that shouldn’t be on the plane

England just can’t beat a top team when it matters because during the games when there are key moments they fail to deliver

For the first 15-20 mins France midfield dominated the game , Greizmann was controlling the game and the wide players causing a lot of issues - then Rice, Henderson and Bellingham found their feet and as a three were superb , Rice does do a lot of the dirty unseen work but imo he doesn’t press enough but that’s because he is protecting a poor CB who shouldn’t be on the pitch , Walker was brilliant - Mbappe got past him a few times but with Rice , Saka and Henderson controlled him very well , Stones is solid enough - Maguire just isnt an international CB - he can head a ball but his movement, ball at his feet , game intelligence is championship standard, Shaw didn’t have a great start - seemed be exposing himself but grew into the game

Midfield did what you want them to do once they got into - the three of them have been some of Englands best players

The front three - Saka , wow - he was Englands Mbappe , criminal that he was taken off , Foden was quiet at times but still provided some good moments, and Kane - missed two great chances to win that game for England but he should have been replaced by Wilson

And then there is the manager - he is half the reason why they will fall short - his insistence to stick with certain players , he poor substitutions, his inability to get the best out of some of the best players in England and some that didn’t even go on the plane

England with a better manager would be winning that World Cup

You could write on a postage stamp what you know about football and still have room for all your football achievements.
You will always pick the bad out of everything.
No one’s mentioned Mount being brought on and within a minute makes a run that wins a penalty.
Southgate brought him on.

 

[pokerjoke]

I'm surprised at you not knowing the rules Stu. It doesn't matter if the initial foul is outside the box. If the foul continues into the box then it's a penalty. Where the initial foul happens is irrelevant.

Not that I'm saying I thought it should've been a penalty as I haven't yet seen a definitive angle that shows the foul was inside the box. It was close to the line but without seeing another angle I'm not sure.

In this day and age it was a stonewall penalty

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I'm surprised at you not knowing the rules Stu. It doesn't matter if the initial foul is outside the box. If the foul continues into the box then it's a penalty. Where the initial foul happens is irrelevant.

Not that I'm saying I thought it should've been a penalty as I haven't yet seen a definitive angle that shows the foul was inside the box. It was close to the line but without seeing another angle I'm not sure.

Don’t be to hard on him. The match officials last night didn’t know the rules either ?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I'm surprised at you not knowing the rules Stu. It doesn't matter if the initial foul is outside the box. If the foul continues into the box then it's a penalty. Where the initial foul happens is irrelevant.

Not that I'm saying I thought it should've been a penalty as I haven't yet seen a definitive angle that shows the foul was inside the box. It was close to the line but without seeing another angle I'm not sure.

The foul occurs 100% outside the box, its a freekick every single day of the week

The only time your scenario tends to be given is when its shirt pulling and it continues into the box.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

In this day and age it was a stonewall penalty

You'd have loads of room left on the back of the postage stamp Tone??

 

[Tashyboy]

Having sat down and thought about the tournament and last night. For me nothing has changed. I do not see anything that has changed my thoughts.
I have not one single gripe about any player that has played through the tournament.
My gripe still Lays with GS.
He has galvanised England. That’s his job. But what is the style of play. You have a midfield of Rice Henderson and Bellingham. I like all three players. But not together. Where is the creativity. Watching the first half hour was painful. How many times did a midfielder show for the ball. Then we slate Kane for dropping deep.
Look at the teams we played before last night ranked 15, 16,19,20th . There or there abouts. Of course you would expect to beat them but we failed to score in open Play v USA a game in which we were second best.
As soon as we play a better team the outcome was the same. Again nothing from Open play with the attacking talent we have. We played our strongest 11 against a team Missing Pogba, Kante and Benzema. We are that far behind.
I don’t slate any of the players because they are carrying Southgate. He is the fine margin that everyone talks about between winning and losing.
His substitutions last night were mind boggling. When you wanted creativity Maddison never got a look in. Oh to have him On the park for the free kick. Why bring on Sterling when the French were fouling at will. Grealish came in for the last two mins.
I said before this World Cup I was struggling to get excited coz i had a feeling it would end exactly like the other tournaments Southgate has managed in. Like I said. Nothing has changed.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1601686609665044480

I can’t find the One ITV showed at halftime but this picture is clear as day the foul/contact was outside the box.

That is Kane halfway down to the ground aswell.

 

[clubchamp98]

Because you were looking for a reason ?

Reason was .
When the ball is out wide Maguire isn’t looking at the ball or Giroud .
He’s looking at and talking to Shaw just before the cross.
Schoolboy stuff.

 

[clubchamp98]

Which is exactly what France did and what England didn’t do.

Yes although I don’t like that sort of thing but the very best teams do it.

 

[Tashyboy]

Yes although I don’t like that sort of thing but the very best teams do it.

As a City fan it a given that you would see it. It’s a nice way of doing the dark arts of football. Having seen Holland, Argentina etc do it then being pulled up and players going mad. Glad England don’t go to that level.

 

[AmandaJR]

On reflection - still gutted. The ref didn't lose us the game but in key moments he got it wrong - for us. I can't think of a moment when I thought "we got away with that" but plenty on the other side.

Chuffed for Walker though who was immense. Really gutted for Kane and he must be even more so.

Subs were odd for sure and wouldn't have Sterling anywhere near that game with his lack of preparation.

Mbappe is a horrible gloating man - not unique there though. Gloating at your national side being knocked out of the World Cup is unpleasant but nothing new.

 

[clubchamp98]

I can’t really argue with the outcome. Two poor goals to concede defensively and we missed a penalty. It was a tight, competitive game with the current world champions. We had chances and perhaps didn’t get the rub of the green. The ref was poor, but only a small part of the reason we didn’t win.

What Southgate provides is a galvanised team. England have always had quality players but he’s found a way to translate that to the team. For that reason and the fact there’s no stand out successor, I think Southgate should stay. With the results going the way they did, this was a brilliant opportunity to win the entire thing. And I think that is what is hardest to swallow. We just might not be as good as the media perceive our ‘world class’ players to be.

That said, Southgate should have been more proactive in the last half hour. The French defending was cynical and rash. Saka should have been left on and they should have brought Grealish on much earlier to draw fouls and run at their dodgy defenders.

Yes I agree and for those reasons I think GS should go.
How many chances are we going to give him to get it wrong.
Managers ear their money when the chips are down, he’s not done it.