2020 Professional Golf Thread

[fundy]

Ignoring that, this has been some performance by Rahm in really tough conditions

Great course and test of golf in these conditions and hes still double digits under par!

 

[fundy]

penalised 2 shots, wins at -9 rather than -11, still number 1 and still celebrating

 

[USER1999]

I though they had changed the ruling on this in the last update? Something about if it needed high def, super slow mo to check it, then the golfer had no chance of seeing it, so it wasn't a penalty. I think it was about trying to avoid penalties after the round when a guy at home has phoned it in. Could be wrong though?

 

[Sports_Fanatic]

I though they had changed the ruling on this in the last update? Something about if it needed high def, super slow mo to check it, then the golfer had no chance of seeing it, so it wasn't a penalty. I think it was about trying to avoid penalties after the round when a guy at home has phoned it in. Could be wrong though?

Think they stopped the ability to phone in and create issues with late disqualifications, and perhaps the oscillating ball on the green point with slow mo, I think the rest is still open though to TV help/interference for now.

 

[Springveldt]

I though they had changed the ruling on this in the last update? Something about if it needed high def, super slow mo to check it, then the golfer had no chance of seeing it, so it wasn't a penalty. I think it was about trying to avoid penalties after the round when a guy at home has phoned it in. Could be wrong though?

They mentioned during the commentary about not being able to use high def TV images to penalise, that it must be noticeable to the naked eye. Now, if Rahm is looking at the hole while placing his club down like that (I know I'm usually looking at the hole while doing that on a short chip) should it really be a penalty?
Letter of the law, of course it is but if it's unintentional and he's not even looking at the ball how would anyone even know if you are using the "naked eye" test rather than the zoomed in, super slow motion 4K shot? Are we now going to get these type of TV images on all players in the rough or just the leader?

 

[Slab]

How would a player (who saw it move that kind of fraction) go about replacing the ball?

I'd hazard a guess that any attempt to replace the ball in those circumstances would've resulted in the ball being further removed from its original lie than the actual accidental movement,
so the ball is further away and player only gets a 1 shot pen

 

[rksquire]

Well deserved victory, and great that he is now no. 1, and nothing ought to take away from it.

But he is lucky he is not Patrick Reed.

The ball moves and it definitely didn't need slow mo or HD to see it; he also plays golf virtually every day of his life so he must know that setting the club down that close to the ball, into that amount of grass, and pushing down has potential to move the ball. Gives a great indication of his exact lie. Had he called the shot on himself or the infraction identified at that point, things might have got more interesting as he was a bit fiery. Found his interview with Balionis quite awkward as well, almost as awkward as the Jack & Fratelli meet and greet! On a side note, what has happened to Koepka - down to no. 6 now!

 

[Imurg]

On a side note, what has happened to Koepka - down to no. 6 now!

There's been no Majors for nearly a year........for him, Nothing else matters..

 

[Dan2501]

Also admitted the knee injury he suffered last year is still bothering him. Not been right since the injury started. Needs to get it sorted.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I don't think high definition or slow mo applies to this one, it was pretty clear when they showed it live. I went uh oh out loud straight away...

One day, maybe, the time he did it earlier in the round might come to light also.
Maybe ?‍

This ^^^. It was clearly visible first time as they showed the shot & it happened the first time he put the club down, absolutely no need for super slo mo, high definition or any other technical assistance.

 

[Imurg]

My only concern with things like this is the level of scrutiny the top players get compared to those at the wrong end of the leaderboard.
If whoever came DFL had done the same thing it probably wouldn't have been picked up because the cameras wouldn't have been running.
Leaders get every shot filmed so are, in a way, playing to tighter rules than those who don't have the cameraman up their left nostril....
Good to see Rhambo on top though..

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My only concern with things like this is the level of scrutiny the top players get compared to those at the wrong end of the leaderboard.
If whoever came DFL had done the same thing it probably wouldn't have been picked up because the cameras wouldn't have been running.
Leaders get every shot filmed so are, in a way, playing to tighter rules than those who don't have the cameraman up their left nostril....
Good to see Rhambo on top though..

Interesting point and what happens if someone say 9-10 shots back goes out and shoots a 60-61 and leads. How many cameras out early doors watching each and every shot in finite detail and so the chance of the same thing happening are high. I don't think Rahm would ever have tried to ignore it had he genuinely thought it had moved. His face at the interview was apparent he didn't think there had been a problem

 

[Blue in Munich]

Interesting point and what happens if someone say 9-10 shots back goes out and shoots a 60-61 and leads. How many cameras out early doors watching each and every shot in finite detail and so the chance of the same thing happening are high. I don't think Rahm would ever have tried to ignore it had he genuinely thought it had moved. His face at the interview was apparent he didn't think there had been a problem

So was Patrick Reed's as I remember...

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So was Patrick Reed's as I remember...

Good point well made but I think Reed definitely knew he'd been busted where I think Rahm didn't. I many be wrong and maybe they all push it to the N'th degree these days and wait to get busted but I would like to think there is still some integrity and he'd have held his hand up had he thought there was a problem. Perhaps golf has gone like footie and win at all costs

 

[rksquire]

Interesting point and what happens if someone say 9-10 shots back goes out and shoots a 60-61 and leads. How many cameras out early doors watching each and every shot in finite detail and so the chance of the same thing happening are high. I don't think Rahm would ever have tried to ignore it had he genuinely thought it had moved. His face at the interview was apparent he didn't think there had been a problem

Actually, I felt the interview was uncomfortable and he looked embarrassed - looked like a schoolboy who'd been 'caught out'. But it is a difficult situation and he has to argue his case just as he has had to on the previous occasions.

 

[garyinderry]

I'm happy to give Rahm the benefit of the doubt.

Most players are quick to call foul on themselves.

The ball actually didnt improve. If anything. Grass gave way and ball sunk slightly deeper.

If he was looking at the flag when it happened and looked back it certainly wouldn't have looked like an improved eye.

This is still a penalty but he may not have noticed the movement of the ball like he claimed.

 

[garyinderry]

Hard to tell from a reaction like that whether it was surprise or guilt. I also don't think it was necessarily obvious to a player in the moment that the ball moved. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

What I do think was off was the tour not telling him about the situation before he was put in front of a camera for a live interview.

I think they should be informed at the earliest opportunity. There is a ref on hand who can do this.

Also the decision should be made much quicker than it was. We think some VAR decisions take too long.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think they should be informed at the earliest opportunity. There is a ref on hand who can do this.

Also the decision should be made much quicker than it was. We think some VAR decisions take too long.

I am sure there have been examples where the player has been informed on the course. I think its only right and if done asap still has the potential to give them a chance to change their strategy on some holes to try and get the penalty shot(s) back

 

[BubbaP]

Are they using "spaghetti" flagsticks at the 3M? Has been few shots of them flapping around like a tough day on a links, but whilst there's some wind the bending seems well out of proportion.

 

[BubbaP]

Yep, was a top draw bunker shot.
Playing sensible on 18