2 degrees upright, what does this say about my swing etc

bigslice said:
bit of a sweeping statement, ive went from 21 to 11 handicap in a year. something has clicked or got more consistant or possible more refined. im not one to talk about 2 degrees upright in the bar, i use the forum for that.
im now at a stage golf wise where if i can rule out certain things that are wrong then i can try and narrow down my faults. grips, tape, club length, style of irons, shafts etc have all been done. lie is the next stage and one i hadnt considered. so if the mizuno fitter says 2 degrees upright then i will look into getting my current irons individually adjusted after ive reshafted them.
perhaps it is just me that can see the logic in getting properly fitted
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I don't understand why anyone wouldn't get it done tbh. Its not like its expensive.

If someone uses forged heads and plays and practices quite a bit in a year, then its worth getting them done twice a season. Soft forged heads do move. The other advantage of getting the lies done - at least when I check/bend them anyway - is that I automatically check the lofts and make sure the gaps throughout the set are consistent. I did a set the other month and the guy basically had three #7 irons in his bag and wondered why they all went the same distance!

Like I said, rather than having to justify WHY someone should get it done, I think its harder to justify why you would NOT get it done. It can't hurt surely?
 
MGL said:
Like I said, rather than having to justify WHY someone should get it done, I think its harder to justify why you would NOT get it done. It can't hurt surely?
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Might as well get them regripped at the same time... it can't hurt surely...... and a lesson, that can't hurt either... and a new bag... probably play a premium ball too..... OR it's not worth worrying about.

Just my opinion.

Personally I'd opt for the lesson to figure out why you're coming down so steep into the ball that you need your clubs adjusted as you wouldn't want that fixed AFTER.
 
JustOne said:
Might as well get them regripped at the same time... it can't hurt surely...... and a lesson, that can't hurt either... and a new bag... probably play a premium ball too..... OR it's not worth worrying about.

Just my opinion.

Personally I'd opt for the lesson to figure out why you're coming down so steep into the ball that you need your clubs adjusted as you wouldn't want that fixed AFTER.
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Apologies, but I don't understand any of what you have written above.

Your first paragraph is a wind up, so I won't comment on that.

Your second paragraph, doesn't make sense. You appear to be talking about Angle of Attack (because you mention coming into the ball steeply), and that if the steepness of that angle was so steep as to be causing problems you should get a lesson to correct it. If that's what you are saying, then yes a lesson would be worthwhile.

Not many golfers are 'standard' lie angle however - so you seem to be suggesting that because he needs his lie angle altering, he must have a problem with his angle of attack and therefore needs a lesson to correct that 'problem' (if it is a problem) because you wouldn't want to correct his lie angle until after he had corrected the problem (if it is a problem) of his angle of attack.

Did I understand you correctly?:mmm:

However, I don't get what any of that means in terms of the discussion we were having about lie angle or how any of what you have written contributes anything to the OP?

Is it so unusual to get your lie angles altered? :rolleyes:
 
bigslice said:
hit some shots on the strike mat and was told my irons should be 2 deegrees upright. what does that say about my swing or strike etc. also if i wasnt on form would this change
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I would guess that what it says about you golf swing is that your hands a fraction higher at impact than your clubs were previously set up for!
 
Piece said:
Not forgetting that you can be average height and still have upright or flat lies...you may have very long or short arms!
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He ain't wrong you know :thup:

My static fitting is bang on std lie. I'm 6' tall and have a wrist to floor of 34.5"

I got fitted today and require 1* up.

This is probably down to Mizuno being flatter, lie wise, than most, but still the point stands.

A combination of height, wrist to floor, manufacturer standards and, of course, your swing will all play a factor in your lie angles.

My advice, after today.







Get fitted :thup:
 
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MGL said:
Apologies, but I don't understand any of what you have written above.

Your first paragraph is a wind up, so I won't comment on that.

Your second paragraph, doesn't make sense. You appear to be talking about Angle of Attack (because you mention coming into the ball steeply),
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Shaft plane actually.... aren't you a club fitter???????
 
Gareth said:
He ain't wrong you know :thup:

My static fitting is bang on std lie. I'm 6' tall and have a wrist to floor of 34.5"

I got fitted today and require 1* up.

This is probably down to Mizuno being flatter, lie wise, than most, but still the point stands.

A combination of height, wrist to floor, manufacturer standards and, of course, your swing will all play a factor in your lie angles.

My advice, after today.







Get fitted :thup:
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i did
 
JustOne said:
Indeed, possibly early extension altering the plane of the shaft. Higher into impact than at address.
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all food for thought, im not golf technically minded. dont want to clutter my already cluttered brain. i will wait till ive hit my new shafts a few weeks. then possibly some lessons
 
JustOne said:
Indeed, possibly early extension altering the plane of the shaft. Higher into impact than at address.
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This is what was pointed out at my fitting last December. At address I was fine but with my swing and early extension the shaft plane became more vertical, so I needed the lie adjusted 2 degrees up.
 
I had a set of custom made Pings done (i20) for me a couple of months ago. I was measured to have a 1 degree upright ( 6 ft tall) blue dot. I also had all the other bits and bobs done such as shaft stiff, medium grip etc etc I was convinced by many to get it done and I obliged accordingly but here's the thing. If Im completely honest its made no difference at all to my ball striking or distance in fact I wish I hadn't bothered as its actually lost me confidence and I just think Ive wasted money on the clubs and time getting fitted.

In my opinion as middle of the road amateurs with inconsistent swings Im not sure you can give an accurate measurements and then adjustments on clubs unless you swing exactly the same way every time... We dont for a fact but Pros and good golfers do so obviously it makes sense. It might be just best to just get an average run of the mill set of clubs that you like the look of that give you confidence and can hit well.

Im looking of off load these Pings now and start again with some Mizunos. I guess Im a retailers wet dream! If anyone could prove to me or suggest otherwise I'm all ears but at present I think custom fitting at my standard of golf is all a bit gimmicky and has hardly any effect on my game.
 
I had a fittig at the weekend, was hitting standard clubs apallingly, had the lie angles checked i needed 3 deg upright - it was chalk and cheese and im only 6ft tall, tables are great but we don tend to all be the same!
 
Based on height alone at 6ft tall you could be anything from 3.75 deg flat to 4.5 deg upright according to the chart.

The wrist to floor measurement looks to be what determines lie angle.
 
HTML:
Having fitted many people, it's not possible to loo at someone and fit them. I have had customers around 5ft 5" be 1/2.degrees upright, and yes people over 6ft have a flat lie. It's something specific to the user swinging the club. Done right you will see good results.

If your upright your more likely to hit the ball right as the toe will dig into the floor and open the club face.
If your flat a common problem is a pull as the heel hits the ground first and closes the club face.

I'm sure many people will not agree or believe and feel fitting is a waste of time, but if it's good enough for the pro's then I need all the help I can, even if it's only a few yards, or a little improvement in dispersion or ball striking.
 
lee_leggett said:
HTML:
Having fitted many people, it's not possible to loo at someone and fit them. I have had customers around 5ft 5" be 1/2.degrees upright, and yes people over 6ft have a flat lie. It's something specific to the user swinging the club. Done right you will see good results.

If your upright your more likely to hit the ball right as the toe will dig into the floor and open the club face.
If your flat a common problem is a pull as the heel hits the ground first and closes the club face.

I'm sure many people will not agree or believe and feel fitting is a waste of time, but if it's good enough for the pro's then I need all the help I can, even if it's only a few yards, or a little improvement in dispersion or ball striking.
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this is answer i was looking for and believe, my current iron shot is a slight fade (which i can accomodate) but would love to play target golf
 
Gareth said:
He ain't wrong you know :thup:

My static fitting is bang on std lie. I'm 6' tall and have a wrist to floor of 34.5"

I got fitted today and require 1* up.

This is probably down to Mizuno being flatter, lie wise, than most, but still the point stands.

A combination of height, wrist to floor, manufacturer standards and, of course, your swing will all play a factor in your lie angles.

My advice, after today.







Get fitted :thup:
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To prove your point _ ive just been fitted on Saturday
Im 6ft tall and my wrist to floor is 37.75 inches - I need 0.5 inches longer and 3 degree upright.
I had standard clubs and was struggling with consistency and always getting the toe - as soon as I hit the fitted clubs it was an unbelievable difference.
Everyones body is different so all this crap about standard clubs fit everyone is rubbish - if you are going to spend £500 + on some clubs surely you''d want them to fit you! Get fitted properly it makes a difference
 
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